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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:29
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Thes people asked me to support their petition to prevent the Americans taking over the NHS.
I might have supported, but found no way to 'not support' which I objected to. I wrote to them as follows:-
Kindly inform me which organisation regulates your activities.I disagree with you offering me to support your petition withouta way to deny support.

But then you just go around & around on their website.
There needs to be some regulation of the opinion influencers.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:37
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Originally Posted by esa-aardvark View Post
Thes people asked me to support their petition to prevent the Americans taking over the NHS.
I might have supported, but found no way to 'not support' which I objected to. I wrote to them as follows:-
Kindly inform me which organisation regulates your activities.I disagree with you offering me to support your petition withouta way to deny support.

But then you just go around & around on their website.
There needs to be some regulation of the opinion influencers.
Surely not signing the petition is sufficient to indicate you don't support them isn't it?

Or should I just have another glass of Blue Nun?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 18:11
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I'm going to try that next time I'm approached by a canvasser in the street:

"Would you sign our petition, please?"

"Yes, but only if I can sign to record the fact that I'm opposed to [whatever]".

I'll report back on how I get on.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 19:48
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Is there actually a move afoot for us Yanks to take over the NHS? I assume NHS means the health service.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:32
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medical costs

Still dealing with my insurance company...
UK280 for the use of a comfy chair for 10 minutes.
UK600 for the nice (pin-strip suit & bow tie) gent who did the stuff in 10 mins.
UK2500 for the medication +++ other stuff.
I am actually quite interested in what will happen if US companies do get involved in NHS UK.
Still I think that what purports to be some kind of a survey should represent both sides.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 21:00
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Is there actually a move afoot for us Yanks to take over the NHS?
Yes. It's called #brexshit. The deal is that the Yanks get the NHS and pay for it with chlorinated chicken. What's not to like?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:16
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At present many NHS drugs come from EU countries. This will continue, but more will in future come from US companies.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:26
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At present many NHS drugs come from EU countries. This will continue, but more will in future come from US companies.
Get used to paying more then:

Average UK healthcare spend per capita = $4200

Avwrage US healthcare spend per capita = $9900

List of countries by total health expenditure per capita
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 14:53
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dr dre the more relevant comparator is surely how much is Government funded (USA - 49.1% vs UK - 79.2%) and then the difference appears to be around USA - $4300 vs UK - $3200 per capita in this chart

This article goes some way to explaining the cost differences of different drugs in the US v the EU and UK. Basically the UK Governmant and the EU (both have individual legislation in place) can negotiate directly with pharma suppliers whereas the US government choses not to.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 06:04
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Originally Posted by IBMJunkman
Is there actually a move afoot for us Yanks to take over the NHS?
No: This is a lie.

Nor are moves afoot to change the UK/US poultry consumption statistics. More lies.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:00
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Yes. It's called #brexshit. The deal is that the Yanks get the NHS and pay for it with chlorinated chicken. What's not to like?
Ahhh... Chlorinated chicken! "What's not to like?"!! As someone who had suffered from Campylobacter (that I got from eating chicken in Ireland!!), I see no problem at all with chlorine washed chicken. After all, you drink tap water don't you? (After all it has a tiny fraction of the bacteria that there is in all bottled water. Fact.) "Chlorine is a disinfectant used by water companies around the world to maintain hygienic conditions within the public water supply network of pipes." -- 'Water and Health', Water UK. You have chlorine in your drinking water so what is the actual problem with having chicken washed in chlorine? As I have said, as a past Campylobacter sufferer I have no problem with it. And from past personal experience, I feel that the Irish could do best by chlorine washing their chicken!

Gertie, you are losing the plot!
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:01
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Do you think Gertie ever understood the plot in the first place? The poor man is one of those sufferers from Grauniaditis!
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 08:33
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Have a look at the Guardians report on US food borne illnesses - the rate is ten times that of the UK. US food hygiene standards are woeful compared to the EU and UK.
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Oh dear. We come back to the chlorinated chicken once again.
We all know that chlorine is a cheap and reliable way of sterilisation. There are no known health issues from eating chlorinated chicken, providing the process has been correctly applied.

The real objections are to the filthy conditions of keeping, feeding and slaughter of the chickens that require the meat to be sterilised before it is safe. We can all have our personal opinions on whether we want to eat such a product.

What is far more concerning where US food is concerned are the excessive use of growth hormones in livestock, and the widespread use of the vile ractopamine hydrochloride, which is banned in most of the world outside the US. Even China, not known for high food standards, forbids the stuff.

There are some who would be content to allow such products into the UK food chain once we are 'freed' from the EU food standards that we ourselves helped to draw up. They are content to use the chlorinated chicken as a smokescreen for the far more serious food safety issues in US produced food.

The same people like to say that there is always a choice as to which products we buy in the shops. Which is fine for them, but not for the millions who have to buy the cheapest food, and do not have to eat in schools or hospitals or the many restaurants where food is always sourced according to price.

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 17:00
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"I am actually quite interested in what will happen if US companies do get involved in NHS UK."

There are actually scores, if not hundreds, of US companies involved in the NHS, just as there are a larger quantity of UK, EU and other nationality companies involved, which is not surprising for one of the largest organisations on the face of the planet. The beef that a lot of us have with the Tories is the constantly simmering desire to REPLACE the NHS with companies funded by private health care, insurance and services paid for at point of provision.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 23:26
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
dr dre the more relevant comparator is surely how much is Government funded (USA - 49.1% vs UK - 79.2%) and then the difference appears to be around USA - $4300 vs UK - $3200 per capita in this chart
That actually makes the US system even worse. For $1000 less per capita the UK government can provide basic public healthcare to all citizens (with some supplemental private costs on top of that).

For that $1000 of government spend the US government can only give healthcare to the poor (Medicaid) and over 65’s (Medicare). Everyone else has to take out a private plan to get some level of basic cover at additional cost.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:19
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I saw a snippet on the news the other day about how the NHS is considered the bad guy by US pharmaceutical industry for “driving down the price of drugs” ...........!
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:39
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constantly simmering desire to REPLACE the NHS with companies funded by private health care, insurance and services paid for at point
Please, where did that info come from?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:49
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I have excellent medical insurance, and experience of private
care outside the UK. In my experience the UK private medical
system is shambolic and greedy, always "death by a thousand cuts",
and find something else you can charge for. I don't expect any
US participation to improve things.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 12:27
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rogerg,

Any right wing think tank you care to consult...



Direct quotes from Tory Ministers, ERG members, Nigel Farage, Tory back benchers...
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