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Mark Field ejects protester

Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
That is fascinating advice. Very passive. Should everyone just 'sit and observe' whenever there is a violent terrorist attack?
No. They should run like a bastard in the opposite direction. It worked for me.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:38
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
Not so sure about that, as it seems to hinge on what he thought at the time, not what we might think with the benefit of hearing other views and seeing an (edited) video:
My point was that that BBC piece does not discuss, and has no bearing on, the severity of any offence (if indeed there was one) that may have been committed by the protesters.

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I don't know, but the legal opinion piece on the BBC News site seems to suggest that their offences may have been more severe than his. If that's the case, then it would seem unlikely that Mark Field will face any criminal charges.
AFAIK, no protester has been charged with anything.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
They have this rather smug attitude that their point is right, and everyone else is wrong.
Any pressure group that disputes the conventional wisdom of the majority (though that's not necessarily true of Greenpeace in these more enlightened times) will almost inevitably be described as "smug" by the latter. That goes with the territory.

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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:44
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
My point was that that BBC piece does not discuss, and has no bearing on, the severity of any offence (if indeed there was one) that may have been committed by the protesters.



AFAIK, no protester has been charged with anything.
AFAIK, neither has Mark Field. I would assume that the normal procedures apply, that the police investigate, gather evidence, pass that to the CPS and then the CPS decide whether or not to bring charges and what those charges should be.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:52
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All by (crazed) people walking up to them.
Jo Cox
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox

Robert Kennedy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assa...ert_F._Kennedy

John Lennon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_John_Lennon

Ronald Reagan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atte..._Ronald_Reagan

and if you want a stretch
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assa...ranz_Ferdinand
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 10:59
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French believed the vessel was unmanned.
Oh well, thatís okay then.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 19:26
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These days no one seems able to do anything without someone else finding fault with whatever action was taken.
Newspapers play both sides of the coin, often on the same page, one praising the action the other condemning, and whichever wins out, the newspaper or other media triumphantly exclaim "We told you so!"
Here, we have the top financial minds at a banquet being interrupted by people who should not have been there.
Whether she was armed with a milk shake or bottle of acid, who was to know?

Mark Field was simply the guy best able to assess the situation and be next to a way of stopping her progress by blocking her against the pillar.
The rest of the audience should be ashamed that no one else came to Mark Fields assistance, leaving him no other course but to remove the potential threat himself.
Greenpeace seem to have had someone clearly in position to film the incident without being blocked from view.... a Put UP job, they'd get maximum publicity whichever way it went, either marching up to Hammond and spitting in his face or whatever, thanks to abysmal security, although to be fair, we don't know if they were overwhelmed by the numbers of intruders that appeared to be in the background.

When you don't know what will happen, but clearly someone not meant to be there is approaching you, and in the circumstances, he did the appropriate thing and stopped it happening.
Yes, he's become the story, but that's because so many MP's have behaved like prats that one acting courageously is pilloried, rather than lauded.

That's how twisted a society we have become.

Bottom line is they should never have been able to gain entrance, whoever helped them should face prosecution, they may have been used as patsies for some real attack.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 19:59
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
The C4 video shows the group of protesters at the back of the hall being contained by assorted guests and a smattering of security and then the lone woman walks across the back of the hall and then down the side towards the stage. Field put his hand out in her path, he did not throw her against the pillar. He did the right thing in my opinion, maybe, just maybe, a little heavy handed but in the circumstances I think justified.

As somebody else postulated, dress up and gate crash a Greenpeace meeting and see what your reception is likely to be....do the words Green and Peace belong together now? A message from one of the founders....
Did you really look at the video? If you did then I suggest a visit to Specsavers because the lady was SLAMMED against the pillar.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 20:45
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Difficult to believe this furore! Stupid woman does something stupid, pays penalty - end of!
The Beeb 'Any Answers?' devoted 21 minutes of a 30 minute programme to this tosh and allowed it to become a long-winded political tirade! I have supported GP and will do so but whoever was the prat who 'thought' up this idiocy needs a well-aimed kicking.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:15
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I think there's still a bit of confusion here..Tobias Ellwood is an example of an MP sticking his neck out and in the circumstances behaving in away that might well be described as heroic manner..he certainly stepped up and was counted when there was real and possibly present danger and the forces of law and order needed help:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7645251.html


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...police-officer

OTOH by comparison Mark Field was behaving in a manner that my late cricket loving father would describe as being "a flat-track bully".
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:42
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This is an excellent case of language escalation.. ‘slammed’.. ‘forced’ .. ‘acid attack’. Blah blah

seems to to me old Marky did ok .. if he and everyone else had done nothing (which to be fair is most peoples default setting) and this woman had assaulted our brave chancellor with a cocktail olive, there is every chance he would have given her all our fishing grounds and cut interest rates to minus 1 per cent
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:53
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At last, a post that defused my ire.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:41
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Inequality

Thereís no getting away from the fact that those who condemn MF are doing it because it was a lady he stopped.

Do the critics have an inbuilt sense that a woman can not commit harm to another? Was she less dangerous because she is female? If you value equality then you must accept that she is every bit as capable of carrying a weapon as any man.

If we want equality then we must accept it in all forms. If MF had tackled a man there would be no story. But letís be honest, a man would have been more scary and probably overpowered a middle aged politician.

By the way he did not slam her. To say that is to have lived in a world so blinkered that you have never witnessed any form of physical altercation whatsoever. She would not have been hurt unless she is made of glass.

Itís funny to see how we can be so polarised in our viewpoints. As I said on another thread recently, thereís nowt so queer as folk.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 04:39
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A turn up for the books...

Interestingly, the bastion of feminism that is the talk show Loose Women (I do not watch it but know all about it!) have not exactly condemned MFs actions.


They actually seemed to discuss it quite reasonably and their consensus seemed to be that he did the right thing given the circumstances and without the benefit of hindsight.

If the Loose Women arenít bothered then maybe itís time to put it to bed. A slap on the wrist for MF and let it all be forgotten.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 05:17
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A slap on the wrist for MF and let it all be forgotten.
Why? Are we supposed to appease Greenpeace and the howling mob that is the media? I propose that people who choose to enter a private function uninvited, disrupt peaceful proceedings and create a diversion to allow their attacker to reach her target, should be incarcerated at Her Majesty's pleasure. I think the actions of MF in this case are quite acceptable. He should be lauded for his selfless act, and promoted. If he is penalised for his action, expect to see more aggressive activity from Greenpeace and their like, as well as other darker forces.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 06:49
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create a diversion to allow their attacker to reach her target
Remind me, what or whom did she attack ?

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 06:58
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She didn't, however that was because she was stopped. Her intent, to MF, was clear.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 06:59
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Dave Reid

She didnít attack anything. We know that with hindsight.

If you were in MFs shoes could you honestly say that a determined individual making a bee line for the Chancellor was not intent on attacking?

Trial by media is all well and good but it ignores the circumstances of the moment.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 07:13
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Has the person in charge of security at that event been suspended? That, to me, is far more important than if Mr Fields has been suspended. Whatever 'hue' of politicians were involved at that event (it could have been a Chancellor from any party), the idea of having an organised mob invading the premises is unacceptable. The problem is that this causes that inevitable increase in security checks everywhere that makes the lives of ordinary decent people more miserable, just because some numb-brains want to force their viewpoint on everyone.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:22
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Fields did the right thing stopping a protestor with reasonable force. This intrusion was by all accounts a well planned operation with inside assistance outflanking woeful security at a high profile event. I imagine what the US secret service would have done at an event with Trump in attendance.

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