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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:11
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I've just seen the interview with the protestor in question, she sorts of evades answering the point that how were the attendees to know she was undertaking a peaceful protest.

Yes, she enters the room in a red dress and sash and armed only with a purse containing some notes (leaflets?) to hand out. Is the red dress and sash some sort of accepted 'uniform' for Greenpeace activists undertaking these sorts of activities? But no-one attending the event officially knew that. For all the attendees knew she could have been 'anyone' dressed up in some sort of outfit.

Think about it, if you were really some sort of terrorist and knew dressing up in a red dress and sash would get you unfettered access to a VIP meeting you might just think well if she can do it so can I. And 'I' might have much more in my purse than leaflets. I still think he did the right thing my in view.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:14
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Plus now after all the furore on going over it, the next time that may be real people will be less inclined to step forward to stop the person. It also shows would be terrorist the flaws in security at these events.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:43
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Recent events have shown that we are now living in a country where it is quite possible that a total stranger will walk up to any one of us and stab us in the throat, before moving on to stab other inocent people. We can no longer assume that every passing stranger will not harm us.

We should not be surprised if people take action when they feel threatened.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:49
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So it is the first day of the labour party conference and a smartly dressed group of suits and no badges, walk into the conference hall. One suit breaks away from the group and heads for Corbyn who is speaking at the top table.

No visible security around and you are directly in line with his route - what are YOU going to do? The UK is full of people who "pass by on the other side", who won't, can't, or will not interfere for fear of harm to self, being sued, losing their livelihood, getting arrested or going to gaol. A sad state.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:57
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Wasn't an elderly gentleman foreceably removed from the Labour party conference a few years ago because he heckled the speaker?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:59
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But that is precisely why Police, security, personal protection and bodyguards exist....
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
Just wonder why you refer to them as "idiots"....? Can they not just be people......??
To answer your question. No, they were right to sit and observe...
That is fascinating advice. Very passive. Should everyone just 'sit and observe' whenever there is a violent terrorist attack?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Imagegear,

But that is precisely why Police, security, personal protection and bodyguards exist....
But the Police weren't there! Who should stop violent protest like this? Why should we tolerate it? We can't just sit and observe.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:04
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The official advice is to flee....

We have armed Police, security, personal protection, bodyguards for a reason...

And the incident with Mark Field was NOT a violent terrorist attack, nor was it a violent protest.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:07
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How could you or he know what her intentions were.

There were people on London Bridge who did not what was happening until they were stabbed in the back.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:07
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
But the Police weren't there! Who should stop violent protest like this? Why should we tolerate it? We can't just sit and observe.
Violent protest? Really.
By the time Field decided to be a tough guy they bloody well knew who the protesters were, and what they were protesting against. Does the UK only show the short version of the video?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:12
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Training Risky,

The official advice is to flee....

We have armed Police, security, personal protection, bodyguards for a reason...

And the incident with Mark Field was NOT a violent terrorist attack, nor was it a violent protest.
Which raises two important questions:

- Where on earth were the security people, who should never have let a well-organised group of brightly coloured intruders in to this event?

- Why aren't the media focussing on the gross security failings at an event attended by several government ministers, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:14
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post


Do you mean this sort of thing?

https://youtu.be/G9kwQrOpCGg

Stan, not looked at the vid, but yes if it was made available to the police. No if it was taken only for potential gain.

Personally I would have assessed fight or flight and not foto.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:14
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By the time Field decided to be a tough guy they bloody well knew who the protesters were,
Really? How? Yes, there were environmental protesters outside. An unknown person barges in heading for the top table, carrying something. He says he was briefly genuinely concerned it could be an attack. The instant of interception I saw looked like an instinctive reaction.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Training Risky,

The official advice is to flee....

We have armed Police, security, personal protection, bodyguards for a reason...

And the incident with Mark Field was NOT a violent terrorist attack, nor was it a violent protest.
Neither did Andrew Pennington think it was other than a visit by a constituent to his MP, Nigel Jones in 2000. Pennington was stabbed to death protecting an MP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Pennington
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
pr00ne

How could you or he know what her intentions were.

There were people on London Bridge who did not what was happening until they were stabbed in the back.

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Exactly.

Better tried by 12 men than carried by 6.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Really? How? Yes, there were environmental protesters outside. An unknown person barges in heading for the top table, carrying something. He says he was briefly genuinely concerned it could be an attack. The instant of interception I saw looked like an instinctive reaction.
Mandelson reaction after getting attacked violently, could have just as easily been acid.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rd-attack.html
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:29
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Interesting comparison, what if the VIP at the event had been HMQ and the person restraining the protester running towards her, one of the security detail. Would it make any difference to the criticism of the various characters and would the bodyguard be suspended from his job?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:43
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Now that throwing milkshakes on people you disagree with is treated by laughs I guess this is the other side of the coin. Bring back John Prescott ! ( But not for too long.....).
Still she seems to have plenty of time on her hands. Living off grid.....how do you make NI contributions towards the NHS and your pension?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:47
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Greenpeace will have delighted by what happened, of course!

I'll make no comment on the rights or wrongs of what the MP did but the pious disingenuousness (wow, now that's a word!) of Greenpeace claiming they only wanted to have a "discussion" is hard to take...
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