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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:31
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Originally Posted by Crownstay01 View Post


You reckon? My reading of the relevant section of the PACE act suggests otherwise.


PACE has nothing at all to do this this, as it doesn't apply to civilians that intervene in what they believe may be a crime.

The law that applies is pretty old, and relates to common assault. If a member of the public acts to try and prevent what they believe may be a crime, and if they touch someone whilst intervening, then technically they have committed common assault. FWIW, a police officer is no different, they are also committing common assault when they physically arrest someone. In both cases the law will judge whether that assault was justified in the circumstances. In most cases involving the police arresting someone, that judgement will be that the assault was justified by the need for the police officer to do his/her job, given that he/she had reasonable suspicion in order to make the arrest.

For a civilian then similar criteria are generally applied, with the proviso that the perceived criminal offence that caused the assault must be more serious than simple common assault itself. For example, if someone has cause to believe that another person is intent on causing actual or grievous bodily harm, then that trumps common assault, so the common assault charge would be dropped.

FWIW I was cautioned for assault in the course of making what some would refer to as a "citizens arrest". In reality all that happened was three of us apprehended someone using an axe to break into a shop window, we didn't "arrest" anyone. When I was cautioned, during the course of giving a statement, the officer interviewing me took the time to explain clearly the laws that applied and the most likely outcome for me. Didn't stop the idiot editor of the "Mail on Sunday" publishing a full page spread, including a very inaccurate cartoon of me, that was very anti-police in it's tone, and bore little resemblance to what had really happened that day. Probably sold a few copies of the paper for the rabid anti-police readership of that rag, though.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:40
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BBC reporting his suspension as a minister.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:56
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BBC reporting his suspension as a minister.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:17
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He did the right thing, unaware of whether it was a PR Stunt or attempted terrorism he acted in getting said person the hell out of the area.

He may be a tosser but rather have someone react than sit there and forever have to explain why he did nothing when 6 people are dead by terrorism.

Gender of MP or protestor has SFA to do with anything.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:25
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Well I rarely disagree with you Racedo but on this occasion...

Looks a nasty man, and quite an aggressive response. Let us hope that there is an objective enquiry as this seems prima facie assault to me.

Theresa May quite right to suspend him.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
Mark Field did exactly the right thing. Any cries of 'assault' are hyperbole and make my ears bleed. This idiot protester being a woman is totally irrelevant and is playing to the victimhood grief-whore industry prevailing in this country.

He used proportionate force to detain and eject an intruder who may have been armed (with a smaller calibre weapon than a .50 cal or a knife FFS!) A totally understandable reaction from him seeing as MPs are routinely attacked with sometimes lethal and more often non-lethal milkshakes etc. Any calls for him to resign are from the opportunists in Labour and whiny snowflake weirdos who don't understand the inherent right to self-defence and proportionate use of force.

There were no coppers around to arrest this idiot. Maybe if they were there, he wouldn't have had to do what he did. The City Police are only embarrassed because they don't like it when people have to enforce the law themselves, thereby drawing unwanted attention to the Police's inability to protect us all properly.
I agree, totally appropriate, you neither know who they are or the threat posed..
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:38
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Big deal. What is she trying to do - hasn't everyone heard of pollution and climate change now, so what was her purpose in being there. Perhaps to be disruptive and cause trouble? Oh, so the people she intended to offend reacted.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:11
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Shame on the guests who sat on their hands and even more on the idiots who's first thought is to whip out a phone and film the situation...
That video wasn't taken by a guest. It was somone standing close to the woman who had followed her.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:22
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There are those that act and those that follow like lambs to the slaughter. In this situation, Mark Field did the right thing. He had no benefit of hindsight to know EXACTLY what the woman intended. Those of you who say he did the wrong thing should hope that, one day, you're not at a private event, with security which should have been on hand, with VIPs who, by the very nature of their work, seem to be targets for every tom, dick and harry, when something that you could have prevented is left to happen. God forbid that next time mark Field thinks twice and something bad happens.

On your collective consciousnesses be it.

I for one would like to know how she got that far.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:25
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
He did the right thing, unaware of whether it was a PR Stunt or attempted terrorism he acted in getting said person the hell out of the area..
I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you......
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by El Grifo View Post
Big question is how she managed to get that far !
No Poiice? No Private Security ?
Strange and worrying !
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It could have been an "inside job"
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:34
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In this situation, Mark Field did the right thing. He had no benefit of hindsight to know EXACTLY what the woman intended.
He didn’t appear to show any hesitation in acting, as he might if he were really in danger. To me, he acted as if he knew that she was a ‘female pain in his ass’ and who the hell was she, a stupid climate protestor nobody, to interrupt this occasion. It’s as simple as that.

Please don’t assume that I am agreeing with what she did, I’m not, but his actions were uncalled for. Despite the protestations of those saying ‘the terrorist threat’. Don’t cry wolf.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:40
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I have finally got around to watching the video. Under the circumstances I think what he did was reasonable and proportionate. Itís not like he hit her.

I would expect to be treated the same way if, for instance, I were to walk into someone elseís wedding reception and try to interrupt the Best Manís speech.

The Greenpeace ladies knew exactly what they were doing and, with senior Government Ministers present, they were lucky not to be arrested.

After the Jo Cox incident I find it hard to believe that so few people accept that MPs are in danger and incidents like this should not happen. You can try and say this is not the same thing but I disagree.

If Mr Field hadnít done what he did the news reports today would have been about lily livered MPs standing by as a potential threat was allowed to approach the Chancellor.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post


He didnít appear to show any hesitation in acting, as he might if he were really in danger. To me, he acted as if he knew that she was a Ďfemale pain in his assí and who the hell was she, a stupid climate protestor nobody, to interrupt this occasion. Itís as simple as that.

Please donít assume that I am agreeing with what she did, Iím not, but his actions were uncalled for. Despite the protestations of those saying Ďthe terrorist threatí. Donít cry wolf.
Good for him, brave I'd say.
He had absolutely no idea what she was going to do, neither do I and you...

Donít cry wolf.
I'd like to see you say that to Joe Cox's husband...


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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:43
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If Mr Field hadn’t done what he did the news reports today would have been about lily livered MPs standing by as a potential threat was allowed to approach the Chancellor.
That is exactly what would have happened!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 12:51
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All very well to demand ďproportionalĒ use of force with the 20/20 hindsight of knowing it was a peaceful protest. The man who stabbed Jo Cox didnít announce he was a murderer. If the protester had been male would this discussion even be taking place?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:06
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Funny how the BBC is giving acres of airtime to the 'activist' and an assortment of Labour lovies, with only the occasional mention of MF's statement and any of the people who agrree with his actions.
All being whipped up by the usuall frowning and fawning BBC suspects...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:14
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Nige321,

The BBC is showing oodles of interviews with Field supporters and sympathisers on all channels. Stop letting your prejudices and how you would like to see things get in the way of facts.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Nige321,

The BBC is showing oodles of interviews with Field supporters and sympathisers on all channels. Stop letting your prejudices and how you would like to see things get in the way of facts.
Err, not on News 24 they're not...
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 13:22
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Just wondering..

if next time I am airside at an airport and see a satchel carrying individual running toward a gate shouting ďstop that flightĒ is it ok to stop them by any means possible, just in case?
wiggy, for a proper comparison they should not be shouting, they should not be running in an open space, they should be pushing passed you in a restricted area. Then you should block them by whatever means you could. If they were in a sensitive area, say a VIP lounge or critical location, you should contain or eject them.

In this case the choice was contain, is force them to the floor, or constrain and eject. I recall the incident Aden where an ADC sacrificed himself to protect others. Field could have been shot or stabbed.
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