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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:24
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In 1990 Wolfgang Schäuble (German interior minister) had just finished addressing around 300 people when someone approached him from the crowd, this person then shot Schäuble, six months earlier Oskar Lafontaine (PD Chancellor candidate) was stabbed in the neck at an election rally, both were seriously injured with Schäuble being confined to a wheelchair since then.

All things considered I think Mark Field acted correctly.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Just wondering..

if next time I am airside at an airport and see a satchel carrying individual running toward a gate shouting “stop that flight” is it ok to stop them by any means possible, just in case?

Circumstances are everything here. Government ministers were present, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and it was a supposedly closed, private event, from which members of the public were supposed to be excluded. There would have been a reasonable expectation by those present that if something like this happened it meant that the security provisions had failed. Under those circumstances it seems reasonable for someone to assume that if strangers were running at the guest speaker they had already defeated the security provisions and so may be intent on causing harm.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well no you've clarified you have actually viewed the video, clearly you condone him using assault under the guise of "self defence " because unless I've been watching an entirely different video, at no point did I see him threated with any form of weapon or physical assault. ........these being the usual criteria for the public to intervene in muggings,. Of course, he could have simply detained her and awaited the arrival of security personnel to escort her out of the venue...who knows, perhaps he's badged !....except that he didn't. He chose to escalate the encounter with assault followed by a display of male arrogance in physically removing the lady himself.
What was he supposed to, wait for the non-existant security to arrive?
It may have escaped your notice, but occasionally we have seen female terrorists.
MPs have had specific warnings about personal security, many have been threatened, physically and verbally.
It isn't that long since one was murdered...

She could have been carrying a weapon of some sort, anything from a knive to a small IED.
MF made a quick decision to stop a posssible attack - the 'lady' wasn't assaulted and wasn't hurt.

As ever, your usual armchair pontifcating says a lot more about your predjudices than anything MF has done.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:02
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He did the right thing .. one hopes it didn’t spoil dinner . I hear the food & wine is rather good at mansion house gatherings
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:09
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Taking the woman by the scruff of the neck and marching her toward the exit may have been understandable. Slapping her into a stone pillar first was less so. If that had been my wife/mother/daughter etc, I would be looking to have a word with Mr. Field.
But no word with wife/mother/daughter then?

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:13
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Big question is how she managed to get that far !
No Poiice? No Private Security ?
Strange and worrying !
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:13
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But Mark Field was NOT in his own home and he was not acting in self defence, he was in fact doing the very opposite, he was attacking. You have every right to defend yourself in your own home if attacked, you have NO right to attack somebody because you feel that they were out of order or somewhere that they shouldn't be. From the video footage this looks like assault.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:19
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Yes it was assault, but wasn't that the idea of the entry, to provoke a serious incident?
I think Greenpeace won that round.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:21
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Not sure why there’s so much fuss, he used only proportional force.

What I find more disturbing is that it may have been an establishment PR stunt. The cynic in me tends to agree with a previous poster.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:24
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It's a risk that protestors take for any particular cause they may support if they indulge in this kind of direct action. In this case it didn't go well for this particular lady and I suspect she's suffering more from embarrassment than anything else.

Difficult to see from the video, but I think if the protestors had stayed at the back of the room they would have been tolerated for a reasonable period of time, but since one of them appears to be approaching the front of the stage/auditorium/senior politician in a pretty determined manner I think Field was right to intervene and took the right decision. Some will call it a physical intervention, some will call it assault and that probably depends on which side of this particular debate you are on.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
What was he supposed to, wait for the non-existant security to arrive?
It may have escaped your notice, but occasionally we have seen female terrorists.
MPs have had specific warnings about personal security, many have been threatened, physically and verbally.
It isn't that long since one was murdered...

She could have been carrying a weapon of some sort, anything from a knive to a small IED.
MF made a quick decision to stop a posssible attack - the 'lady' wasn't assaulted and wasn't hurt.

As ever, your usual armchair pontifcating says a lot more about your predjudices than anything MF has done.
Thank you for informing me as to the existence of female terrorists and threats to MP's. I was never aware of such until now.

My armchair pontificating your say ?.........it would appear I'm not alone.....even includes Tories you will be saddened to learn.

Still at least the event has allowed to chaps to indulge in a spot of male bonding here on JB.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...limate-protest

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:28
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I'm highly offended that many posters in this thread apparently consider that the gender of the MP and the Protester are relevant. I'm off to a Safe Space for a cry.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Thank you for informing me as to the existence of female terrorists and threats to MP's. I was never aware of such until now.

My armchair pontificating your say ?.........it would appear I'm not alone.....even includes Tories you will be saddened to learn.

Still at least the event has allowed to chaps to indulge in a spot of male bonding here on JB.


https://www.theguardian.com/environm...limate-protest
Constantly quoting the Guardian speaks volumes...

If she'd knifed him he'd be a hero...

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
Constantly quoting the Guardian speaks volumes...

If she'd knifed him he'd be a hero...
This forum needs a like button.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
It was the equivalent of a Citizen's arrest that anyone can make in the street against a mugger etc.
You reckon? My reading of the relevant section of the PACE act suggests otherwise.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post

This forum needs a like button.
For a statement like that, about her potentially knifing him, an emoticon, or two, are already available........
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
For a statement like that, about her potentially knifing him, an emoticon, or two, are already available........
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially from your cumfy armchair.
I'm sure Joe Cox didn't think anyone would pull out a weapon and kill her...

How would MF have been 100% sure she wasn't carrying a weapon, and be that sure in the seconds he had to sum up the situation.
Shame on the guests who sat on their hands and even more on the idiots who's first thought is to whip out a phone and film the situation...

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:17
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Echo Romeo,

That does not look like proportional force to me, and whilst this will only ever be a minor case, it would be difficult for him to prove that it was proportional in any way.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
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Shame on the guests who sat on their hands and even more on the idiots who's first thought is to whip out a phone and film the situation...
One of the best comments here so far.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:28
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He'll be ok. Prescott got away with thumping the egg man

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