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Old 10th Jun 2019, 20:27
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Yet another thread about the BBC, and the same old arguments about the licence fee.

Isn't it time we had a ​​​​​​

BBC Hamsterwheel ??
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 20:37
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I expect Blue Peter has one...
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 20:57
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
What you are saying is that the TV licence is a government tax - so why does the BBC's withdrawal of free licences for over 75s have any relevance?
hence the potential for a legal challenge of a corporation levying an air wave licence. Also ITV could argue that a licence interferes with their right to an audience.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 21:10
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Yet another thread about the BBC, and the same old arguments about the licence fee.

Isn't it time we had a ​​​​​​

BBC Hamsterwheel ??
Obviously a huge fan of the BBC & its lefty ways!!
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 21:13
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I wish people would stop banging on about the BBC (& its overcompensated "talent") as being a bunch of left wing rabid socialists. They are most certainly not. The Beeb are part of the "establishment" & they are neither left nor right wing, they have no need to be. They serve those that have, and in the process serve themselves. Left and right wing are ideological idylls to distract and divide the ignorant masses. It's the propaganda channel. Yes a few good documentaries, but mainly "bread & circuses" stuff, plus sycophantic coverage of state occasions, distraction tactics and insinuation of "the message". That is its true purpose, whether the government is Conservative or Labour matters not one jot, (even Thatcher didn't touch the BBC did she, I wonder why??) and the true brilliance of it all is that it is funded by a TV tax most willingly paid by those that lap up its output.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 23:16
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
I wish people would stop banging on about the BBC (& its overcompensated "talent") as being a bunch of left wing rabid socialists. They are most certainly not. The Beeb are part of the "establishment" & they are neither left nor right wing, they have no need to be. They serve those that have, and in the process serve themselves. Left and right wing are ideological idylls to distract and divide the ignorant masses. It's the propaganda channel. Yes a few good documentaries, but mainly "bread & circuses" stuff, plus sycophantic coverage of state occasions, distraction tactics and insinuation of "the message". That is its true purpose, whether the government is Conservative or Labour matters not one jot, (even Thatcher didn't touch the BBC did she, I wonder why??) and the true brilliance of it all is that it is funded by a TV tax most willingly paid by those that lap up its output.
Mrs Thatcher wanted the BBC to be at least partly funded through limited advertising but her option was rejected by the Peacock committee report into the UK broadcasting industry in 1986.

Given that the BBC’s licence settlement is determined solely by the government of the day, I’m sure the BBC is well aware of the concept that he who pays the piper calls the tune.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 05:10
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Interesting to learn, that, a cut in funding by the Gov't isn't the Gov'ts fault .....

Given the subject, the Mail, naturally, sensationalises the effect on pensioners by implying they could become criminals ! ......if they don't pay their licence fee less some on here get perplexed and confused.

Thankfully, the Excess has launched one of it's fabled crusades !.......the Excess even failed to mention the wx now affecting the UK, so that's a sure sign of the rags agenda .....

Oh, and one trivial little point, nothing to get overly concerned about, regarding means testing and data protection breaches.....and the DWP....although as the DWP will be involved, they won't be bothered about contravening any form of legislation anyway.

https://www.ft.com/content/699b15d4-...d-b42f641eca37

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Old 11th Jun 2019, 06:18
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
I wish people would stop banging on about the BBC (& its overcompensated "talent") as being a bunch of left wing rabid socialists. They are most certainly not. The Beeb are part of the "establishment" & they are neither left nor right wing, they have no need to be. They serve those that have, and in the process serve themselves. Left and right wing are ideological idylls to distract and divide the ignorant masses. It's the propaganda channel. Yes a few good documentaries, but mainly "bread & circuses" stuff, plus sycophantic coverage of state occasions, distraction tactics and insinuation of "the message". That is its true purpose, whether the government is Conservative or Labour matters not one jot, (even Thatcher didn't touch the BBC did she, I wonder why??) and the true brilliance of it all is that it is funded by a TV tax most willingly paid by those that lap up its output.
!00% correct.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:00
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Clearly the BBC lied. They have not made any economies. They still pay at least one football presenter about UKP2 Million per year. They still provide free taxis for their "stars" so they do not have to suffer the indignities of public transport. Average presenters are paid half a million. They are moving some of their shows out of their "public" programming in to their "private" programming, so they don't have to reveal their salaries. The BBC still has more Directors, Assistant Directors and "Offices of the XYZ Director" than an organisation 10 times its size actually needs.
And then there's the "Sounds" App..........
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:07
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Ancient Observer,

Oh the BBC have made economies all right! A lot of redundancies and folk being let go early, a reduction in what they pay their top stars and all sorts of restrictions on expenditure, buildings and facilities. Just because they do what EVERYBODY ELSE does in the treatment of their presenters and on screen staff does not mean the organisation has not been hit hard.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:28
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Originally Posted by GLIDER 90 View Post
Obviously a huge fan of the BBC & its lefty ways!!
Why do you say that? Please explain.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:42
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Perhaps those listening to the World Service should contribute?

I'm sure the over 75s will be delighted to see that they get it for free.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
The BBC promised the Government that it would make economies, and take over the payment of licence fees for the over 75s, who currently do not have to pay the annual UKP154.50 BBC tax.
Clearly the BBC lied. They have not made any economies. They still pay at least one football presenter about UKP2 Million per year. They still provide free taxis for their "stars" so they do not have to suffer the indignities of public transport.
Average presenters are paid half a million. They are moving some of their shows out of their "public" programming in to their "private" programming, so they don't have to reveal their salaries.
Er, no. The government removed the funding for the free licences and passed the cost directly on to the BBC.
However, I do agree that paying someone, many hundreds of thousands of pounds to talk is ridiculous.

The BBC still has more Directors, Assistant Directors and "Offices of the XYZ Director" than an organisation 10 times its size actually needs.
Do you have a ligit source for that?

So the Trots and Pinkoes at the BBC have decided that the over 75s will have to pay their UKP154.50. From the Grauniad..." Research from the House of Commons Library found that 3 million households would lose their free TV licence as a result of the decision."
Here we go again, BBC lefties blah blah blah. Talk to any left wing supporter and they will try and convince you of the total opposite. The balance is spot on. All sides of the political spectrum are questioned equally, Just because you may lean one way does not mean that the BBC does.

The Beeb still has lots of local radio and local tv that no-one listens to. The private sector does the job so much better. It keeps on expanding its internet presence. It promised to scale it back - but it has grown it instead. It is the BIG NEWS bully.
Bull! Local BBC radio is flourishing. It gets more listeners than almost all commercial radio-like for like. Local commercial radio has just laid off hundreds of staff and consolodated it's news and breakfast programs into a central national status. No local news anymore.


With no really annoying commercial breaks!!

I subscribe to (IE pay for) a premium rock/metal radio station. Why? Because it has no ads! It's output concentrates on new music and bands that are ignored by commercial radio. The only other network that even comes close to promoting the same level of new and niche bands is the BBC.

Netflix/Amazon Prime etc are subscription based. No ads, You choose what you want to watch, but their output is overall, repeats from other producers. They do have some original content but its mostly repeats. The annual cost for both is nearly as much as the BBC licence but with a fraction of the content.

Also, don't forget the BBC was partly responsible for the digital TV revolution in the UK. It stepped in when the commercial sector failed.

Careful what you wish for.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 08:54
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Originally Posted by GLIDER 90 Obviously a huge fan of the BBC & its lefty ways!!
Why do you say that? Please explain.
I never understand this either . The BBC is an independent, non-partisan organisation.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 09:01
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I think that the myth that the BBC is a "leftie/pinko" organisation comes from those who only view/listen to a small subset of the BBC's output. Like all media outlets, cutting edge comedy and satire tends to be a bit left wing. That's nothing much to do with the BBC, it's just the nature of that particular sector of the performing arts. Overall, and particularly with news reporting, the BBC seems to get the balance pretty much spot on.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 09:10
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And if the BBC is such a haven of Trotskyists and Marxists as the more excitable on here claim, please explain their apparent love affair with one Nigel Farage, that doyen of all things extreme left...
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 09:12
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I always worked on the principal that the "free TV for pensioners" never has been it has been costed into what we all pay as part of the licence fee, so by abolishing it, which I think is wrong, will simply mean the BBC is gaining a double wammy, the costed funding for it plus these poor older folks now having to find monies a lot of them simply cannot afford.
Myself I would transit the BBC to a commercial entity and scrap the licence, most of my viewing is now not subject to the old style terrestial TV..
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 10:34
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The 150 licence fee for the entire BBC is extraordinarily good value, particularly when compared to the 327.60 it costs to buy the Daily Mail every day for a year. I wonder if the DM will now offer free newspapers to the over 75 now seeing as they feel so strongly about it? After all, it was the government who stopped subsiding those particular licence payers.

And spare me any replies that point out that one has to buy the licence, but has a choice whether or not to but the Daily Mail. I am well aware that the licence fee is a hypothecated tax, and is set up so specifically to give the BBC independence from the government of the day. If it were funded direct from the treasury then that would raise the potential for pressure from politicians.

For a household of 4 people the BBC costs less than 11p per day each, for several national tv channels, a great deal of regional output, 9 (I think) national radio stations, five radio stations specifically for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, and dozens of local radio stations, together with one of the most visited websites in the world.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 10:45
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And if the BBC is such a haven of Trotskyists and Marxists as the more excitable on here claim, please explain their apparent love affair with one Nigel Farage, that doyen of all things extreme left...
You are joking, right?
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 10:51
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And spare me any replies that point out that one has to buy the licence, but has a choice whether or not to but the Daily Mail
But it is true. It is called choice.

I have the choice not to but the Mail nor to read it.
I do have the choice not to view the BBC but . . .
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