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Old 5th Jun 2019, 21:29
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
When I was nicked in Sleaford by Lincolnshire's finest (well at least their mentally retarded - incapable of doing proper policing) .
Tut tut! I believe the current correct term is ‘SEN’ - ‘Special Educational Needs’ -(I worked in care in a previous life and the acceptable term changes weekly)
But in any case I wouldn’t recommend asking if they are - it may not help!!!
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 21:54
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That is indeed correct. When I was nicked in Sleaford by Lincolnshire's finest (well at least their mentally retarded - incapable of doing proper policing) I was given the opportunity of courses all over the country.

Moreover, the current course is really good! Does a deal more than kick your @rse and tell you not to do it again, it is actually informative, and I would actually say that all drivers, whether or not they've been naughty boys or girls, should attend.
Retards caught you committing a totally avoidable offence...?

You are right about the courses though, maybe they should be made mandatory to renew one's photo licence.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 22:24
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As has been previously said, the elephant in the room here, is that the op has a UK driving licence, but appears not to be living in the UK.
So the OP would appear to be driving illegally in the country of residence as well as the UK. .
I imagine that if the OP ever had a reportable accident, his insurance cover would be null and void, and the resultant costs could be astronomic.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 22:31
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
As has been previously said, the elephant in the room here, is that the op has a UK driving licence, but appears not to be living in the UK.
So the OP would appear to be driving illegally in the country of residence as well as the UK. .
I imagine that if the OP ever had a reportable accident, his insurance cover would be null and void, and the resultant costs could be astronomic.
Driver is OK if renting in UK provided he is only renting at least for Insurance but not unsurprisningly certain Rental car companies ask, is credit card registered to same address as DL.

Driving any other car unless he has been specifically put on the Insurance means he would be driving without Insurance which is a criminal offence.

As said earlier, pay the fine and keep quiet.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 00:10
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
DVLA may cancel your licence as you no longer have permanent residence in the UK and using a postal address for service of any fine / endorsement etc. They can use whatever criteria to suit themselves.
They are a complete law into themselves. For years under the EUs trainset rules you should have been able to get your UK licence registered at any address in the EU28. DVLA simply refuse point blank to do it ( though in those circumstances I have yet to hear of a licence being cancelled though the owner, if living in the Eu28, simply disappears into a admin black hole,)

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 00:17
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Driving any other car unless he has been specifically put on the Insurance means he would be driving without Insurance which is a criminal offence.
Is that the way it is done in the UK? In the US it's the car that is insured, for any licensed driver.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 03:03
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
Is that the way it is done in the UK? In the US it's the car that is insured, for any licensed driver.
Similar to Oz, or West Oz at least.

When you pay your vehicle's licence, part of the fee is for compulsory third party insurance.
This covers you, or anyone else, for death or injury if your car is involved in an accident.
However, it does not cover you for damage to your car or anyone else's.

If you want to run an uninsured vehicle, up to you.
But you need to be prepared to pay for damage to somebodies Lamborghini, if you run into one.

Alternatively, you can take out "bomb insurance" - just covers damage to second party's vehicle; not to your own.

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 04:23
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Wowzz is correct: one cannot hold a UK driving licence if one is not a resident of the UK. I have this is writing from the DVLA after I queried this. The first question on the licence application form is "Are you a UK resident?". If the answer is 'NO' then you can proceed no further. It is also a serious offence to not inform the DVLA of an address change, so leaving an old address, or using a relatives UK address is not allowed if you are not resident.
I have not had a problem renting a car in the UK with an Aus licence, but only found one company in the UK that would insure me for a car that I own, and that was expensive and the rates were 'per day'.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 05:56
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Thanks all. I had not realized that I may be operating in a grey area. I won't go into any more detail here. But clearly paying the fine and taking the points is the simplest solution.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 06:40
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
Is that the way it is done in the UK? In the US it's the car that is insured, for any licensed driver.
Always seemed eminently sensible to insure the car to me, I have driven my sister's car in the US. It would have been useful to have had the same in the UK a number of times so I could drive friend's cars on long journeys.

I don't own a car these days but I think the third party, fire and theft I used to have on my old bangers usually did cover me for third party on other cars with owner's permission. Is that still the case?
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 06:55
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Driving any other car unless he has been specifically put on the Insurance means he would be driving without Insurance which is a criminal offence.
Not completely true.

It is true of some policies and not others. It covers the main driver to drive another car, not owned by them or hired by them. It does not cover named drivers on your policy.

Best to check.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Retards caught you committing a totally avoidable offence...?

You are right about the courses though, maybe they should be made mandatory to renew one's photo licence.
Sure, my misdemeanor was completely avoidable and I take full responsibility, however it galls many people when they are asked that the police seemingly pay little but lip service to crimes such as burglary, vehicle damage and their like whilst being able to find manpower to put a team of people into a white van and take pictures of drivers exceeding the speed limit; the proceeds of which make the exercise self financing. The term "retards" might have been a little strong.

I know this as fact since in my job I interview the public, at random, for a major government funded survey into crime and policing.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 08:10
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The people in camera vans are civil servants, not Police Officers. Camera vans are self funding. Annoying as they are they have had a dramatic effect on driving behaviour.

Traffic police are just that, they are not employed to chase burglars, investigate thefts, etc. The abysmal efforts in those areas is down to lack of resources. The Police are as frustrated by the lack of officers/funding as everybody else.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:10
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
The people in camera vans are civil servants, not Police Officers. Camera vans are self funding. Annoying as they are they have had a dramatic effect on driving behaviour.

Traffic police are just that, they are not employed to chase burglars, investigate thefts, etc. The abysmal efforts in those areas is down to lack of resources. The Police are as frustrated by the lack of officers/funding as everybody else.
Curiously, catching offenders for tailgating, undertaking, using mobile devices, eating and heaven only knows how many other stupid, not to mention dangerous activities while driving, that cannot be identified by said civil servants appear, from the outside looking in, to be hardly ever effectively cracked down upon. And moreover, many of these activities are way more dangerous than minor speeding offences. Put it this way, if I had to chose between enforcing the law against someone doing 37mph in a 30mph limit, or someone doing 30mph whilst using their phone, especially texting, I know which I would want to be rigourously policed, and it sure as heck isn't the minor speeder.

Moreover, the money spent on many of the fixed location Gatso type devices would be much better spent, from a road safety standpoint as red light cameras, even attempting to stop as the lights go amber these days appears to be a no no, and red lights very often disregarded, and not just by car drivers, very worryingly by so called "professional" Class 3 drivers with artics - if you want to see what i mean I would direct you toward Jct 28 on the M1, where the A38 intersects. Gatsos would probably be just a profitable (OK let's say self financing) at lights as on roads monitoring speeding.

The abysmal efforts on non traffic relating crime, whilst they are undoubtedly contributed to by lack of resources, are also impacted by how each force (through the offices of the PCC I assume) allocates their meagre resources. In Nottinghamshire they seem more intent on catching misogynists, if you're to believe what you hear.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Not completely true.

It is true of some policies and not others. It covers the main driver to drive another car, not owned by them or hired by them. It does not cover named drivers on your policy.

Best to check.
We are talking in relation to the OP and as he a Non UK resident and unlikely to be on anybody's insurance. If he drives a non hire car he is committing an offence.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Always seemed eminently sensible to insure the car to me, I have driven my sister's car in the US. It would have been useful to have had the same in the UK a number of times so I could drive friend's cars on long journeys.

I don't own a car these days but I think the third party, fire and theft I used to have on my old bangers usually did cover me for third party on other cars with owner's permission. Is that still the case?
Yes because then you would be an insured driver.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
The people in camera vans are civil servants, not Police Officers. Camera vans are self funding. Annoying as they are they have had a dramatic effect on driving behaviour.

Traffic police are just that, they are not employed to chase burglars, investigate thefts, etc. The abysmal efforts in those areas is down to lack of resources. The Police are as frustrated by the lack of officers/funding as everybody else.
I believe they are 3rd party contractors and not civil servants.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
The people in camera vans are civil servants, not Police Officers.
I'm pretty sure this is completely untrue. The Civil Service is a central government body, whereas police services are devolved and each has a policy that is set by the local constabulary. Around here the speed cameras seem to be operated by contractors, rather than direct police employees. I would guess that this is probably the case across the country. Either way there's no Civil Service department that is connected with local policing or traffic management that I'm aware of.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 10:42
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When it comes to what a vehicle insurance policy covers, or doesn't cover, there is only one safe answer:

Read the policy booklet and take note of the small print. If unsure, ask the insurer - don't rely on assumptions.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 11:18
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Wowzz is correct: one cannot hold a UK driving licence if one is not a resident of the UK. I have this is writing from the DVLA after I queried this. The first question on the licence application form is "Are you a UK resident?". If the answer is 'NO' then you can proceed no further. It is also a serious offence to not inform the DVLA of an address change, so leaving an old address, or using a relatives UK address is not allowed if you are not resident.
Sounds like we can bat this back and forth forever I guess, however there is no doubt the DVLA has been driving emigrants/expats, etc up the wall for years.

When we left the U.K. to reside elsewhere in the EU my better half informed DVLA of her address change and was told by DVLA, that, to paraphrase: “thanks for letting us know, your licence is still valid (iaw EU28 rules) , but we cannot change what is printed on your licence...(which is something that is not iaw EU28 rules - you should be able to change the address if residing elsewhere in Europe). She also registered her licence with the local authorities, and carries an official covering letter /permit which has been accepted by the police whenever she has been pulled over at one of the not infrequent roadside spot checks.

Of course at some point if we ever Brexit then it will all change again but I’d maintain (like some others here) that DVLA, or some who work there, can be a law unto themselves.
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