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Old 29th May 2019, 16:55
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Is this racist or just an observation?

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Old 29th May 2019, 17:02
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Depends on what you believe. He has every right to express an opinion, just as everyone has the right to disagree with him.
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:09
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He is telling the truth, in line with what I and most other people still in touch with reality.are aware. IMHO.

If telling it like it is, is racism, then it's racism I guess..
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:22
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Is this the Dual UK / US citizen making complaints ?
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:30
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If he means that London no longer appears to represent the majority of the citizenship of the UK, he is right. The proportion of BAME and generally overseas residents is far larger than anywhere else in the UK so it does appear not to be an English city, as other areas of England are far more white and less foreign.

If that is a good or bad thing others can decide, but it has changed the character and culture of London in my experience.
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Depends on what you believe. He has every right to express an opinion, just as everyone has the right to disagree with him.
Absolutely - Same as Romford Ilford and Barking bear NO resemblance to the not so far away days of my childhood and my youth - A pure observation - nothing else just the demography.

Why the sensitivity?
Folk need to open their eyes and stop being so touchy - We know it's all changed in around 30 years as has for instance, Birmingham and Coventry too

Same could be said of Benidorm - a Spanish fishing village not that long ago and now the beach Manhattan for sun kissed (red blotchy sloshed and burnt) Brits and Germans et al LOL
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:46
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They are both correct and racism doesn't enter into it.

Khan acknowledges its international nature and global importance and it is of course the Capital city of England and the United Kingdom.

Cleese states the simple truth. The ethnic mix is not biased away from the English, it is totally international with tourists also altering the balance.
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Old 29th May 2019, 17:54
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Lived in and loved London in my youth, gave up on it twenty years ago. Cleese is so right.
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Old 29th May 2019, 18:04
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If you visit London and you hear a significant amount of different languages spoken and see lots of signs that are not written in English, then it would not be unreasonable to think that you were not in an 'English' city.

London could probably have been called that 30 years ago, but that is no longer the case these days. London is now a multi-cultural city that just happens to be located in England.

Even Sadik Khan says it's a European City...
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:14
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The word "English", in itself has become a bit of a problem. The proverb, it is not what you say, it is how you say it, needs now to be added to with, it is who says it to whom. Cleese said it and it caused offence, Khan said it and it is fine.

So far as cosmopolitan cities are concerned, Constantinople was one, since it became Istanbul it no longer is. There are not many cosmopolitan cities left around the world, London must be numero uno, and that must be the reason why it is a magnet for all the people of the world. No matter which part of the planet you are from, it is guaranteed you will feel at home in London. Now, is that a good or bad thing, who knows, only time will tell. As was the case with Byzantium, Constantinople and Istanbul.

By the way, I don`t think it has anything to do with trade. Unless of course it is used within the meaning of one way, money out rather than in and a great convenience to get your laundry done.
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:25
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Originally Posted by wetbehindear View Post
London was and is a cosmopolitan metropole, because it is/was a vivid world trade center
Has been since about the Victorian/Empire era. It's position in international finance contributes to that.
As to the haters of white people and the legions of kneejerk-outrage-twits.
The word "English", in itself has become a bit of a problem. The proverb, it is not what you say, it is how you say it, needs now to be added to with, it is who says it to whom. Cleese said it and it caused offence, Khan said it and it is fine.
Perfectly stated. The hypocrisy is complete.
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:33
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And we forget too easily that London is also a "city of villages". When I lived at the Elephant and Castle 20 years ago 'twas usually difficult to find a white face in the shopping centre. Two miles down the New Kent Road to New Cross Gate: black/asian faces then uncommon. Both perfectly safe; both accepting of different ethnicities.
Not been back for a while: bet it's changed again since we left.
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:35
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Walked to my local Sainsburys and back in SW London this morning, total distance no more than 300m. I would say I passed half a dozen or so people either chatting on their mobiles or in conversation with whoever they were walking with. Nothing I heard was in English which even I found surprising hence why it registered I suppose. Just an observation.
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:41
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But not just London. More cosmopolitan, but no different from Boston, the one a few miles from New York. To a large extent the Portuguese contest with the Poles for primacy. In at least one school English is not the dominant language.
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Old 29th May 2019, 19:53
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I regularly visited Holland Park (Hornton Street and Kensington High Street) back in the early 1970s, and rarely heard English spoken on the streets.
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Old 29th May 2019, 20:23
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Just after the war, London was full of Londoners.
Then can the swinging sixties and London began to entertain more foreigners and less Londoners.
Now London has no Londoners and is full of foreigners, by which, of course, I mean non Londoners.
The foreigners in London might just as well be interlopers from foreign lands, London a foreign city and John Cleese is correct.
Worse though is that Paris and Madrid, for all their foreign populations, retain their quintessential French or Spanish ethos, London has prostituted its own character and soul and bears no resemblance to anything other than a great pudding bowl full of people.
In 1666, at Thomas Farriner's bakery, in Pudding Lane, began the Great Fire of London, which killed the plague of 1665, destroyed the rats and allowed Christopher Wren the opportunity to redesign St Pauls. Perhaps the words of Cleese are a clarion call for another such extirpation?
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Old 29th May 2019, 20:50
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Before my Holland Park period (late 60s) I regularly drove into and sometimes through London from Hertfordshire to Kent down A5 Edgeware Road or A41 and across Vauxhall Bridge.
I could park onstreet within easy walking distance of Piccadilly Circus and Greek Street.
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Old 29th May 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Nothing I heard was in English
Sounds like Cambridge sometimes.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:15
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I could park onstreet within easy walking distance of Piccadilly Circus and Greek Street.

Back in those days though, all the whores I used to know in Greek Street and surrounds were English, well, perhaps British if you include the Scots doxies.
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Old 29th May 2019, 21:35
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There was a coffee bar in Greek Street called the Brush and Palette, where nude female models would be 'drawn' or painted.
Oh yes! To a young man (before 'Hair' opened in Shaftesbury Avenue) it was cheaper than the sordid Soho bars.

There was also Ronnie Scott's.close by.
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