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Old 1st Jul 2019, 06:14
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Isn't it nice to feel (un) wanted.......or just cast aside for "the greater good", or rather getting the ego massaged as PM. So thank you Mr ( insert consonant of choice here ) Hunt for letting people know, well in advance, which is helpful, they will be out of a job and business's will be closed if you get the job......and a few soothing words for the farmers should do the trick, even more so as that nice Mr Gove has already said they will be safe, until, about 2022 I think when, oh dear, the support will be " reviewed ".....which means cut as we know.

Thus to Boris......as a lady said recently, he knows sod all about money.....well words to that effect, and here he is proving the point. plus being happily unaware of the rest of the UK outside London.....apart from the suburb at the end of a branch line called Henley that is.

But the public sector can start planning for their top of the range hols, cars and new "des res " postcode homes because the fabled money tree has been uprooted from a certain bridge and will now bear fruit as their salaries soar ! .....although astute readers, not those infatuated with Boris, obviously, will note the word "fair " has also been uttered by Mr Hancock.....which says it all as to the so called wage increase....

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 07:47
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 10:16
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Who says Treeza hasn't left a legacy !....here's Boris faithfully emulating one of her trademark "U" turns....

There again, as Ms Sturgeon is considerably more astute than Boris, like the rest of us, she won't be inclined to believe a word he says......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48822674
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 23:54
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PN, BV - " BV+1. . " Wrong again! There are far more than that! My concerns are (and always have been) directed towards the false claims and misuse of terms such as 'Democracy,' 'Will of the People' etc. to justify actions which are demonstrably UNdemocratic and reflect the will of a small proportion of the people. All pretty straighforward really. You obviously have no compunction in making false claims and similar thinking is quite widespread. If you feel the need for support in your endeavours, can I unreservedly recommend the contributor to last Saturday's "Any Answers" on that hive of Marxist propaganda, the Beeb. About 3m 15s or so in and the true, blue Brit gives vent to his cogently argued view of what this country needs! A living, breathing example of the truth of Dr Johnson's aphorism re. Nationalism. The other, modern namesake would, no doubt, greet him with unalloyed joy as a true, Blue believer!
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 03:47
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There you go again. Treating all Brexiteers as one. Based on a stereotype that you have formed during your Ďresearchí.

I do not and have not made any claims of any sort. It seems to me that you direct your ire at PN and myself simply because we are replying to you.

In 2016 I attended a polling station to put a cross on a piece of paper. I chose leave for reasons I had formed over my life up to that point. See post #225 on the Brexit thread for my explanation.

I can honestly say that, despite having seen the Leave claims, they did not affect my decision one iota. Neither did the Remain claims, clearly.

I made my own mind up like an adult. If you were to read back through the annals of PPRuNe (I donít expect you to bother) you would find that I have NEVER quoted or justified any of the claims made by the Leave campaign.

As for whether or not Brexit is democratic I donít think itís us you need to convince. Maybe you should convince the MPís of the United Kingdom who agreed, by a majority, to honour the Ďundemocraticí vote in parliament. They may be fools but they probably understand a little more about democracy than you or I.

So, maybe, you could admit that you have the wrong guy. Maybe, you could take it out on someone else. Or maybe, you could grow up a little and accept that complaining to all and sundry on here doesnít achieve anything and just makes you look a little like a zealot.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 04:12
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None whatsoever, as the rest of Westminster will continue to vote and act exactly the same as they are now.
I'm sure Boris has said he would suspend parliament to get a no deal through
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 06:46
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Nothing like a veneer of respectability to disguise the despot underneath.........

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ship-contender

Here's Boris getting tough on crime......conveniently forgetting how many police officers we don't have thanks to funding cuts.....plus his intrinsic modesty about himself......and some thoughtful words of advice from the public.....not that Boris is interested in the public

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-search-powers

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 08:01
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 10:34
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"when you need a friend, we're sailing right behind "........with apologies to S & G here....

And look whose emerged just in time to add moral, well ok, immoral really, support to either of the contenders......( bill to follow in the post ) non other than the DUP .....well who would have thought it !

From my time in Belfast, it would be fair to say that Sammy wasn't entirely held in high esteem by some people I knew......


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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 12:36
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Sammy Wilson eh? Hard to believe that an unreconstructed backwoods politician like him and his cronies have such influence in the British government. Stand up to the Irish he says as if tiny Ireland had any power at all. All the Irish want is a lifeboat in case the SS Great Britain ploughs into the Brexit iceberg and sinks with all hands. Captain Johnson at the helm.

Bob Viking's defence of his leave vote is touching and he may indeed have never been influenced by decades of anti EU rhetoric from the press and the Tories, Borris himself one of the ringleaders. Yes indeed not all leave voters are bigots, over zealous nationalists or too stupid to understand that they were being lied to, turkeys voting for Christmas.

But did he vote for a no deal Brexit where the next PM is comfortable with the loss of thousands of jobs in order to facilitate an idealogical wish of a minority? The possible break up of the UK. An increase in racism. The dumbing down of politics. The crassness and childishness the typifies the debate?

I doubt it. No one voted for that. They did vote for a fantasy though. One that turned into a nightmare.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 13:51
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They say know a man by his enemies.
The BBC the Independent and the Guardian all hate Boris profoundly and are campaigning hard against him.
So he must be good.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 14:42
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I donít expect to influence you or change your mind any more than you should expect the reciprocal.

I voted for Brexit. I am prepared for whatever comes our way.

If there was one thing I wish we could have changed it would have been for TM to not have been forced to go to Brussels with both hands tied behind her back. Telling everyone that she will never accept Ďno dealí was a pretty dumb way to approach a negotiation. For that she can thank Westminster.

Ironically if we do go Ďno dealí then all of Westminster can share the blame. For it is they who put her in an impossible position, engineered her resignation and left us with either BJ or JH.

I donít expect you to understand and I wonít waste any of my time trying to convince you. However, if there was one thing I wish you would accept it is this. You claim Brexiteers were lied to and that we are after some impossible ideal. Can you not at least imagine how it looks to us? Your claims could be thrown right back at you. You dream of a utopian European ideal and believe people who tell you it is possible.

Maybe we are all right. Or maybe we are all wrong. Time will tell. I for one do not wish to fall out with anyone over it.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:31
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BV sorry but you are just deluded in terms of negotiation strategy and expectations and you were lied to and swallowed them whole.

We now have the chancellor a sensible if dull man coming up with more catastrophic figures re brexit and he is the man with his finger on the financial pulse and has all the data , he should be PM purely because he doesnt want the job , is a stable low key sensible person who is pretty much trustworthy and honest .

You do not do international negotiations in the cowboy British fashion, we have no idea how to negotiate as a country because for decades we never had to , do this or we send a gunboat- worked then not now. We are one versus 26 and to handle that needs an infinitely more subtle approach than we have used or anything Boris could even conceive . The Eu dont really care about us at all-they would sooner we stayed but while the nominal loss to the the Eu is significant the loss to each country is minimal . All other countries have issues with the Eu only we had enough ignorant naive citizens who believe the mail and telegraph and voted to leave. .

Are you really prepared for a no deal-perhaps you a e wealthy and dont care anyway , a good conservative viewpoint, However an awful lot of people who swallowed the lies will be the sufferers as we sink ever lower in the worlds esteem and economic rankings and become a sort of large Cayman islands making money by stealing the tax revenues from other citizens of the world to protect the rich and the Googles and Facebooks of the world. Perhaps we will soon be like the USA where 3 people have more wealth than the 190M people who are the bottom 50% of earners-can that ever be right, of course not.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:33
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Iíd say I agree 100% with BV. And Paxís post only goes to prove you are wasted on them Bob.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:46
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We now have the chancellor a sensible if dull man coming up with more catastrophic figures re brexit and he is the man with his finger on the financial pulse and has all the data , he should be PM purely because he doesnt want the job , is a stable low key sensible person who is pretty much trustworthy and honest .
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1) Successive Chancellors, the Treasury, the Bank of England, the BBC and more have been incessantly lying to us for 4 years now in their concerted ""project Fear" push. They have been found out countless times. I am amazed that anyone still believes them.

2) During the referendum campaign Cameron told us repeatedly that out means out and that this meant leaving the EU FTA and the Customs Union. He never said that we were voting for BRINO or that we were voting for an "agreement" that involved giving the EU £39bn, giving the French our fisheries, giving Gibraltar to the Spanish and ceding sovereignty over Northern Ireland to the EU Commission. We voted for clean, WTO Brexit and that is what the government has a democratic imperative to deliver.



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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:47
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As I have told others. Read my post #225 on the Brexit thread for my reasons.

The Ďliesí as you call them had nothing to do with my decision. I suppose you could say my decision was more of an ideological thing.

Of course, you wonít read the post I mention. It is much easier to just presume you know me and think that I fell for the Ďliesí rather than accept that intelligent human beings came up with an answer different to your own. Because, how could you possibly be wrong? How is it that all humans donít think alike?!

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Edit: just saw the poster from eclectic after I posted. That made me laugh. Of course we will now have an angry remainer telling us itís no laughing matter and how dare we make light of such a serious situation.

Of course, bright yellow BtB t -shirts are much more mature.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:15
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[QUOTE=pax britanica;10507839]BV sorry but you are just deluded in terms of negotiation strategy and expectations and you were lied to and swallowed them whole.

We now have the chancellor a sensible if dull man coming up with more catastrophic figures re brexit and he is the man with his finger on the financial pulse and has all the data , he should be PM purely because he doesnt want the job , is a stable low key sensible person who is pretty much trustworthy and honest .



You may well remember G Osborne. He also had his finger on the pulse. He was also the chancellor. He made numerous statements of facts that just by voting leave the UK would suffer.

I posted this, before: These are some of the facts that Osborne said would happen, immediately on voting leave.

Firstly, the economy did not decline by 3.6% as promised. It has grown in each and every quarter by an average of 0.4% per quarter since the referendum with an almost boring consistently. Today GDP is 2.5% higher in real terms than it was the day before the referendum. In other words that is 6.1% better than the Treasury forecast, equivalent to £135bn of extra annual production over their estimate, or just over £2000 for every man, woman and child.

Next, the Treasury forecast the loss of 500,000 jobs with a year of the vote. Actually over the last 500 days since the referendum, 317,000 new jobs have been created, or 634 new jobs each and every day since we voted to Leave.

There is more. In fact nearly every prediction he made was false(lie). He was in a position to actually know the financial consequences. Don't forget his predictions were going to happen just because there was a leave vote, not actual waiting for the UK to leave. And you wonder why the comments, fake news and project fear became so well used!

Published Nov 2017.

More of your lies. You posted this in early May 19

Rees Mogg , well its 2019 not 1919 or even 18 19. Sticks to his guns but they are cannon in an age of missiles and the last thing the country needs is another old Etonian who would like to bring back the Poor laws, Child labour , the Press Gang and all those other symbols of Great Britain.

The above is another one of your statements. You appear to be one of the worst for blatant lying, unless you can back this claim up with a verified source,
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:21
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Bv + ... Your 'journal' on what you did and why on Brexit is, I'm sure, highly commendable and self-satisfying and logical and socially worthy etc., etc., but has absolutely NOTHING to do with my little bone of contention -percentages! The relationship, numerically, between the total expressing a particular wish as against the number affected by the accomplishment of that wish. Your vote was what it was. The total population of the country was what it was at the time of the referendum. Those two things are immutable. The relationship between those things won't change. 17.4 million is ALWAYS going to be less than 29% of 60+ million. Acceding to the wishes of less than 29% of the population is ALWAYS going to be UNdemocratic ... unless you are Humpty-Dumpty, of course!
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:29
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Iím afraid we will have to leave our little tete a tete there then and you can take it up with someone else.

You see, the members of the Hís of P felt it was democratic enough to promise to abide by it.

Iím not clever enough, nor do I have the energy to continue the conversation with you.

Of course you will just claim this makes you right. Such is life but I am not an expert on the meaning of democracy so if proving me wrong makes you happy then well done. You can claim this as a victory if it helps you to sleep better.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:45
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BV all remoaners seem to do that, so it should come as no surprise.

They also try and use language which implies they are the majority, or "the rest of us", or other silly things like that.

My suggestion, take it or leave it, is ignore them.

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