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Old 27th Jun 2019, 22:57
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Originally Posted by orionsbelt View Post
There are 721 posts on this topic, I wonder how many of you are Conservative Party members and will have the right to vote. Not many I suspect.

And my point is ………………………well think about it

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Well, I'm one and shall have the right to vote; indeed, I shall vote.

But only in respect of, in my judgement, two unworthy candidates selected by an assembly of the even less worthy. The whole parliamentary construction has been allowed to become a shambles, largely due to the uselessness of Theresa May and the subversion of others. I fear something revolutionary (in the fundamental sense of the word) will be required to restore things to any semblance of the order which previously existed. Perhaps we are witnessing an irreversible change heralding a very different future. Those of us born before the War will be glad that we shall not be part of it.

Your point, if there was one, eluded me.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 04:32
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In case anybody is confused, I have contributed to the 721 + posts......but am not a Tory voter.

As always, back to Boris who clearly pulled the crowds in at Bournemouth .....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...bulldog-spirit

And so that little diversion mentioned earlier about a forthcoming Labour Gov't and CGT.....this article is a shade more expansive than the very selective, and paranoia induced post, which generated the diversion.....the convenient omission of several other relevant statements should be noted.....

https://www.accountancydaily.co/labo...mp-duty-regime

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 05:33
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:10
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Thanks for the link, K&C. It confirms that I haven't lost my reading/comprehension skills. The CGT thing applies to money made on second homes and includes the proposal to abolish Stamp Duty land tax on purchases of homes for a person's primary residence. Abolishing a tax doesn't quite equate to an imposition of tax, does it?
The headline paragraph sums it up:
"The Labour party is considering plans to overhaul the current stamp duty system by phasing out the charge for purchasers and increasing capital gains tax on second property sales"
Incidentally, the author of that report called the Labour proposals "Land for Money". Sorry madam, but it is actually titled "Land for Many".
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:27
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If the Labour party (or any other party for that matter) were making spending "promises" such as Johnson and Hunt are making in this campaign during a general election campaign, the Conservatives would, quite rightly be asking "where is the money coming from?".

The reality is that is either of them were to be so reckless as to pull out of the EU on 31.10.19 without a deal in place, sterling would immediately crash, economic growth take a hit, along with corporate profits, leading to a reduction in tax receipts and increase in the demands on social security making the "promises" both untenable and impossible to fulfill.

Why are a supposedly intelligent bunch of people (the Tory electorate) apparently so gullible?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If the Labour party (or any other party for that matter) were making spending "promises" such as Johnson and Hunt are making in this campaign during a general election campaign, the Conservatives would, quite rightly be asking "where is the money coming from?".

The reality is that is either of them were to be so reckless as to pull out of the EU on 31.10.19 without a deal in place, sterling would immediately crash, economic growth take a hit, along with corporate profits, leading to a reduction in tax receipts and increase in the demands on social security making the "promises" both untenable and impossible to fulfill.

Why are a supposedly intelligent bunch of people (the Tory electorate) apparently so gullible?
We await the inevitable "fake news ! / project fear believer !" and " this was going to happen three years go, but didn't....so that proves "project fear !" was just alarmist disinformation" ......mantra replies......unfortunately, since then, as negotiations have deteriorate to being non existent, and a variety of sources have raised similar growing concerns, and lets not forget the resurgence of Gov't plans for a "no deal " departure.......incidentally, that paragon of efficiency , Mr Grayling, in case readers were wondering, could emerge again in these plans...........then it's fair to say the naysayers and those in denial about the ramifications may soon to be eating egg...... and not from a plate

Kelvin...yep, that link was informative so we await the interpretation on here.......which should be entertaining, paranoia being what it is.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:51
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
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The reality is that is either of them were to be so reckless as to pull out of the EU on 31.10.19 without a deal in place, sterling would immediately crash, economic growth take a hit, along with corporate profits, leading to a reduction in tax receipts and increase in the demands on social security making the "promises" both untenable and impossible to fulfill.

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Similar to all those dire forecasts in 2016 of doom-and-gloom, thousands of job losses and an 'emergency budge' if there was to be a 'Leave' vote?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:01
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Similar to all those dire forecasts in 2016 of doom-and-gloom, thousands of job losses and an 'emergency budge' if there was to be a 'Leave' vote?
You don’t have to look very hard to see the reaction of the stock market and the currency markets when one of the twists in the road over the last 3 years has made a no-deal outcome seem more likely. Even with my limited clairvoyancy skills I’d be pretty confident of a steep drop in both once no-deal was definite. Everything else would start as a knock on from that.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:52
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Similar to all those dire forecasts in 2016 of doom-and-gloom, thousands of job losses and an 'emergency budge' if there was to be a 'Leave' vote?
No come on; both Johnson and Hunt have admitted that a no deal Brexit isn't desirable, as it the economy would take a hit, that is why Johnson is suggesting (ridiculously) that the chances of a no deal a 1 million to one, and Hunt is willing to extend to avoid one. I assume they are both peddling "project fear".

Putting a pair of underpants on your head and a pencil up each nostril isn't going to change the facts.

You don’t have to look very hard to see the reaction of the stock market and the currency markets when one of the twists in the road over the last 3 years has made a no-deal outcome seem more likely. Even with my limited clairvoyancy skills I’d be pretty confident of a steep drop in both once no-deal was definite. Everything else would start as a knock on from that.
I bought Euro last week, at € 1.126, today it's €1.13. It's been a steady unremarkable slide since May was pushed out. However every fall in sterling ups the cost of servicing the national debt, and while it makes out exports more competitive (or more likely improves profit margins for exporters) it raises costs for imports, and aside of issues relating to business rates and rents, the fall in sterling is in no small part the cause of the spate of retails bankruptcies in the past year - as retailers aren't putting up their prices, and simply cutting margins, which is eventually unsustainable - as Bathstore, Bon Marche, Debenhams, DSG etc are finding out.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 11:00
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
No come on; both Johnson and Hunt have admitted that a no deal Brexit isn't desirable, as it the economy would take a hit, that is why Johnson is suggesting (ridiculously) that the chances of a no deal a 1 million to one, and Hunt is willing to extend to avoid one. I assume they are both peddling "project fear".

Putting a pair of underpants on your head and a pencil up each nostril isn't going to change the facts.



I bought Euro last week, at € 1.126, today it's €1.13. It's been a steady unremarkable slide since May was pushed out. However every fall in sterling ups the cost of servicing the national debt, and while it makes out exports more competitive (or more likely improves profit margins for exporters) it raises costs for imports, and aside of issues relating to business rates and rents, the fall in sterling is in no small part the cause of the spate of retails bankruptcies in the past year - as retailers aren't putting up their prices, and simply cutting margins, which is eventually unsustainable - as Bathstore, Bon Marche, Debenhams, DSG etc are finding out.
Cobblers... The demise of that list has been coming long before brexit.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 11:19
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All the Quitters her seem to forget that economics is largely gradual process and while the big retailers are having problems not related to Breixt, Breixit has compounded them .

After the Japanese governments very Japanese 'threat' the other day about saying the really hope there isnt a no deal brexit-if you have dealt with the Japanese they really mean no deal-no Japanese . So having thrown away membership of the worlds biggest and most successful trading bloc we piss off the Japanese , get royally screwed by the Americans- never a nation to miss the opportunity of strength over weakness and we have already pissed off the Chinese. Our balance of trade is pretty awful already- one of th worlds worst as explified by the deal with Korea. Cheaper for them to sell us Samsung and LG goods woth trillions. cars from Hyundai and Kia worth billions and we sell them er-well nothing really, luxury cars, by definiation a niche market, salmon and whiskey ,

And now we have Boris-a proven liar cheat and fraud and an utterly incompetent minister spouting his pseudo Churchillian nonsense again forgettign that

1 Churchill was either useless of bad except from 1940-42 when he was very good- troops versus strikers, idiotic war ending schemes etc
2 If you promise lower taxes higher wages and cuts in stamp duty -where is the money going to come from, oh we will just renege on what we owe the Eu-well thats called sovereign debt default and we do not want to go there.
3 He is already positioning us for disaster which will as always be paid for by Joe and Josephine Public while the tax dodging rich pretty much carry on as usual.

How low have we fallen
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 12:01
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Amusing little sketch in the Times...

Interviewer: Have you any plans for number ten?
Boris: Leave my family out of this!
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 12:19
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I didn't claim Hunt was a loser.
Yes you did! You complete liar!
On 25th June at 15:51 (presently post #678) you clearly said of Hunt and Johnson:
Overall, a pair of losers in business!
ShotOne didn't misunderstand anything you said when he offered
Allowing him to trouser £14million....” Doesn’t sound like being a loser to me, Kelvin.
as evidence against your argument that Hunt is a loser in business.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 12:25
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post


Cobblers... The demise of that list has been coming long before brexit.
I don't think I said that Brexit was the sole cause of the woes or demise of many retailers. However primary school maths tell you that if your product costs go up by 10%, but you leave your sales prices the same, then your gross margin is cut, and when the other factors - business rates, commercial rents to name two, that reduction in margin puts your viability under greater threat.

I assume your primary school taught basic maths?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 15:51
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Seems reasonable to me...

Boris Johnson is reported to have called the French "turds" when he was foreign secretary, in a Brexit outburst filmed for a BBC documentary but never broadcast.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...bbc/ar-AADxlnH
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 16:21
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Glad you think it is reasonable, of course many Brits living/working in France think what he said was absolutely hilarious...not.

Johnson is a selfish buffoon who cares not one jot if what he says does or does not have an adverse impact on British nationals, whether they living in the UK, living elsewhere on the Globe, even perhaps even locked up in a prison somewhere. Great choice as Foreign Secretary, top candidate for PM.

I had a round of post a nasty illness consultations at my local hospital this AM, not long after the news of Johnsons comments hit the airwaves.......The French Healthcare system and the staff have been absolutely brilliant over the last few years and so on the couple of occasions I had to produce my UK passport today as a form of ID I felt utterly ashamed to be "recognised" as a Brit. Very very fortunately the locals tend to have a sense of humour and as one Consultant said "well may have our problems Mr Wiggy, including the various LePens, but at least we don't have a problem like him...good luck".

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 16:23
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One of those comments that will win him more votes than it loses.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:04
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One of those comments that will win him more votes than it loses.
You are probably right, problem is it appears that is all Johnson cares about.

The fact is that post whatever/if ever Brexit happens, if we want to trade with other nations life might be easier if senior politicians don't go around insulting those other nations seems to completely escape him.

It really really is all about Project Boris, he doesn't give a stuff about anything/anybody else.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:12
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... over the last few years and so on the couple of occasions I had to produce my UK passport today as a form of ID I felt utterly ashamed to be "recognised" as a Brit.
Surely you could have fully embraced your new home and become a French citizen, then you would not have had to feel 'utterly ashamed'?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:17
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The topic of stamp duty? Stamp duty and fuel duty are the two biggest taxes inhibiting job mobility (you are hugely penalised by the state if you want to move or commute for a new job).

But the emphasis on its effects on London? That is the problem with all contenders for No 10 -- they are all London-centric. (And look at how well that did for Labour in Scotland.)
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