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Old 27th Jun 2019, 07:21
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Steepclimb, I have selectively quoted as this stands alone.

The shambles you see before you is a consequence of the absolute inability of the British political class to grasp the situation they find themselves in.

Yet you and the rest are confident these same incompetents will after Brexit usher in a bright new era of freedom and prosperity.
The first is self-evident. The second is irrelevant as we seem to have survived the last three years despite, not because of, the politicians. The less meddling the better.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Steepclimb, I have selectively quoted as this stands alone.



The first is self-evident. The second is irrelevant as we seem to have survived the last three years despite, not because of, the politicians. The less meddling the better.
We survived the last three precisely because the politicians' meddling has maintained the status quo.
After we actually leave the EU there will be no effective leadership of a country with very serious problems.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 08:46
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Conservative Party members

There are 721 posts on this topic, I wonder how many of you are Conservative Party members and will have the right to vote. Not many I suspect.

And my point is ………………………well think about it

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 10:06
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Kelvin you’ve made clear your dislike of any Tory candidate. Yet presumably support Corbyn, who has reduced a once-proud party to a vindictive personality-cult, is committed to a ruinous economic policy, savage tax hikes and who, even now, can’t tell us whether we’d remain or leave.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 10:51
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ShotOne: For goodness' sake! Are you blind or dyslexic? How many times must I repeat I have no time for Corbyn?
I hope that is now cleared up for you.
Now re my "dislike of any Tory candidate"; try replacing "any" with "either" and you will be spot on. My posts on the topic though have been clearly stated by me as having originated in my being intrigued by Hunt's constant harping on about his skills, or otherwise, as an entrepreneur. I wanted to see what this was all about and this has led me to be firmly convinced that he is not the Philip Green, Alan Sugar or even Beardy Branson he would have us believe he is. Now about the other candidate; please help me out here by directing me to my parallel comments on that person.
Incidentally, I still haven't found anything on Labour's plans for CGT on single homes. Could you direct me also to the source for that please?
Much appreciated.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 11:34
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Nonetheless, Kelvin, Corbyn is the alternative to one of those two (fwiw I’d have preferred Stewart). No, Hunt isn’t Philip Green (thankfully). But building a business which enables one to “trouser” £14 million (as you put it) isn’t bad going in my book. Clearly you have higher expectations. Labour’s CGT proposals, together with some other nasties were quietly published in their website in a report “Land for the many”. I confess to only having read the summary published In this Monday’s Times.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 11:47
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We survived the last three precisely because the politicians' meddling has maintained the status quo.
After we actually leave the EU there will be no effective leadership of a country with very serious problems.
Got it in one, Sallyann
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 12:06
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Wow.

So SallyAnn is clairvoyant. Awesome.

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 12:52
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So SallyAnn is clairvoyant. Awesome.

BV
Was Sallyann being clairvoyant two-three years ago when I predicted there would be no satisfactory exit deal, and Brexit would be followed by a Labour government?
Were you one of those who laughed at that? I ought to go back and check the names.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 13:02
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" Labour’s CGT proposals, together with some other nasties were quietly published in their website in a report “Land for the many”. I confess to only having read the summary published In this Monday’s Times "

Well in the absence of a link, which comes in useful................ORAC......yer on ! , please.....and how come you missed this little gem ?...bit like me missing that one you posted from the Guardian then.........

Only the summary please ORAC......here's the full report

https://landforthemany.uk/
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 13:14
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Sally

I can save you the time. It wasn’t me. I have only started reading this thread relatively recently. More’s the pity.

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 13:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" Labour’s CGT proposals, together with some other nasties were quietly published in their website in a report “Land for the many”. I confess to only having read the summary published In this Monday’s Times "

Well in the absence of a link, which comes in useful................ORAC......yer on ! , please.....and how come you missed this little gem ?...bit like me missing that one you posted from the Guardian then.........

Only the summary please ORAC......here's the full report

https://landforthemany.uk/
76 pages of political and social jealously. Venezuala at it's best.

I spotted this example of Labour's love of adding layers of bureaucracy to every part of local government - who ends up paying for this lunacy? We do...

I haven't the stomach to read the rest of this drivel...

Each local authority should appoint a Future Generations Champion to represent the interests of children and unborn generations in planning decisions and plan-making . This will ensure that the long-term environmental implications of current decisions are taken into account.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We survived the last three precisely because the politicians' meddling has maintained the status quo.
After we actually leave the EU there will be no effective leadership of a country with very serious problems.
The politicians' meddling has avoided Brexit but they have certainly not maintained the status quo with manufacturers transferring to Europe or amending their supply chains.

Has their been any effective leadership in the last 5 years?


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Old 27th Jun 2019, 14:19
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K&C: Thanks for the link. I have found the offending article. Well, its step brother anyway. What it says is " capital gains tax for second homes and investment properties should be increased ". I think the Times has sold you the proverbial pup, ShotOne!
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 15:11
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Read on, Kelvin: It goes on to say, about main residences that applying CGT “would allow us to limit wealth inequality arising from the housing boom”. With the intention to “discourage people from treating their homes as speculative assets”. It even concedes it will be controversial and “would make it difficult for some households to buy properties of equivalent value when moving house”. In their own words!
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 15:25
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76 pages of political and social jealously. Venezuala at it's best.

I spotted this example of Labour's love of adding layers of bureaucracy to every part of local government - who ends up paying for this lunacy? We do...

I haven't the stomach to read the rest of this drivel...
I'm sorry to learn you are unwell with a stomach ailment. As I've said before however, this condition does seem prevalent among some on here, so once again, I suggest you vary your diet from crab apples, sour cream and an infusion of lemon juice to allow your gastric juices to return to stability.

But then you mention layers of bureaucracy ......and comparing Labour with "somewhere in South America beginning with "V" ".........a little closer to home and you would have found this generosity towards self indulgent bureaucracy ........for BV......it's not from the Guardian !......and it ain't the full article as you have to pay....which one is averse to.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ds-0cqfgjxvjcz




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Old 27th Jun 2019, 18:47
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Was Sallyann being clairvoyant two-three years ago when I predicted there would be no satisfactory exit deal, and Brexit would be followed by a Labour government?
Were you one of those who laughed at that? I ought to go back and check the names.
Whilst I think you are probably correct about there being no satisfactory exit deal I still don't agree on the Labour government.
Corbyn is destroying Labour every bit as effectively as Boris will destroy his party. I really think that the Lib Dens now offer the only sensible alternative.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 19:15
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You have to wonder whether the complaints over Chris Williamson's reinstatement aren't the beginning of moves to replace JC with a more voter friendly leader in anticipation of a GE.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We survived the last three precisely because the politicians' meddling has maintained the status quo.
After we actually leave the EU there will be no effective leadership of a country with very serious problems.
I'm afraid so.
But Britain is not Somalia or Lybia. At least I hope so.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 20:40
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Whilst I think you are probably correct about there being no satisfactory exit deal I still don't agree on the Labour government.
Corbyn is destroying Labour every bit as effectively as Boris will destroy his party. I really think that the Lib Dens now offer the only sensible alternative.
As I - and others - have said before, it is not necessary for Labour to win the election. Only for the broken Conservative party to lose it.
If the lib dems could win instead that would be far preferable. But they still have a big hill to climb. Opinion polls right now are no guide at all to what may happen then. Everything is too volatile.
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