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Old 25th Jun 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
While you’re at it, can you name anyone on the Labour front bench who would be capable of running ANY business?
Diane Abbott; abacus sales.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 15:55
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Tsk ! tsk ! Kelvin.......as we know, Mr Hunt duly explained all as to his failure to declare his interests.....they were simply "unfortunate administrative errors ".......so that's cleared that one up.......if your name is Jeremy Hunt that is.

S,A referred to a Spoonerism on the front page of The Times yesterday and she should be commended for her perception because it appears he's intent on proving it....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...icola-sturgeon
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 17:35
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Thank you for the mandatory Guardian article even though it’s unrelated to anything in your post. Well done Mr Hunt for taking this decision: clearly you believe the British government should be funding and facilitating Ms Sturgeon’s attempts to undermine it in Brussels and elsewhere?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 18:01
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Number of police per 1000 of London's population has decline from 4.1 to 3.3 in 7 years, lots more people, less cops.
2010 - 33,300
2017 - 30,800

Who doing the cutbacks ? oh wait it is a Tory govt.
True enough, yet the Mayor of London says it's all good, the streets are 'safer'. I do wonder what particular illegal substances he may be taking, or maybe he's just a closet Tory?
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 23:16
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I don't know why everyone is going on about his private life. It's irrelevant.

It's his public life that has everyone worried. Max Hastings quoted above couldn't be more clear. He cannot be trusted. Also to argue he's better than Corbyn is no argument at all. Teresa May is better than Corbyn, I'm better than Corbyn. Anyone is better than Corbyn. But the best the Conservatives can come up with to save a sinking ship is to appoint a new Captain who's likely to open the sea cocks and take the first lifeboat when it's clear there is no hope.

​​​​​He can't deliver a new deal and he won't be allowed a no deal.

Article 50 will be be revoked and a new definitive referendum will be the result.
Unless there is a considerable volte face in Brussels, it is unlikely that there will be a deal. Unless there is some cataclysmic change, it will be necessary to bypass the obstructive Parliament with prorogation (the word always reminds me of Woy Jenkins). Indisputably, Boris is the only one with the political courage and national standing to do that. For any number of reasons, Jeremy Hunt is not up to the job. The revocation of Article 50 is unthinkable; the national humiliation which this would bring would dwarf anything that the hapless May has managed and the population's sense of outrage would prove difficult to contain.

And what do we do with the old definitive referendum? Even if we persist with the absurdity of another referendum, the probabilities are that it will return a result substantially the same as the last one. Do we ignore the instructions of that too? Of course, if the Remoaners win, the result will be accepted without question; should the country again decide to leave, the referendum will not be "definitive" and the establishment will cause us to suffer the ridiculous nonsense of the last three years all over again.

That Boris has clay feet - large ones - is not in dispute, for he has very ably demonstrated this physical characteristic. But given the colourless and totally charisma-free personality of the only one opposing him and this person's slight and obviously exaggerated business experience - regardless of his rather Marmite-like appeal, Boris is the only credible choice. The more I see of Hunt, the more I see a clandestine Remainer in the mould of Theresa May who could sell us short in the same manner. I shouldn't be at all surprised to see the Grauniad publish a full-page picture of Hunt in a pair of £995 leather trousers! However, regardless of what transpires in the next few weeks, there can be no doubt that the Conservatives as currently constituted are finished. They opened their own sea cocks three years ago and the fate of the ship already is decided. Where that leaves the rest of us remains to be seen.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 04:20
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Thank you for the mandatory Guardian article even though it’s unrelated to anything in your post. Well done Mr Hunt for taking this decision: clearly you believe the British government should be funding and facilitating Ms Sturgeon’s attempts to undermine it in Brussels and elsewhere?
My gracious thanks for your plaudit.....and you will be delighted to learn other links from the same source will follow. I know, but I am sure you will be the first to agree you can never have too much of a good thing.... as the saying goes.

That said, do you know what a Spoonerism is ?.......hence the reference to such and why Hunts actions suggest this is accurate when withdrawing support for Ms Sturgeon's trips.....she is a democratically elected representative after all so she's entitled to represent her country at such events. But, and you seem to have inexplicably missed the last three years here, when it comes to undermining the UK Gov't, I think it's fair to say the current incumbents have no need to be concerned about Ms Sturgeon.......... having been more than consummately successful entirely by themselves.

Anyway, back to Boris. Good analogy really, Boris and buses in case you were wondering, but it's the last paragraph that should induce an outpouring of indignant frothing......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-johnsons-bus

And so to the most blatant case of animal cruelty on record !...you have to feel sorry for the innocent dog, getting involved with, and that close to Boris.....a Close Encounter of the Third Kind you might say ( as this is a family site, one has spelt Third correctly ) and we can only hope the dogs vaccinations were current !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48766828

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 06:32
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 06:57
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Shotone:
“Allowing him to trouser £14million....” Doesn’t sound like being a loser to me, Kelvin. Since you’re so well up on financial numbers
Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I didn't claim Hunt was a loser. Let me remind you what led to my post:
Having watched the BBC debate with all the usual suspects (wannabe PMs), when there was still the full field of 5. During this, I was struck by how often Jeremy Hunt told us he "is an entrepreneur" and it occurred to me today to see if I could find what exactly he meant by that.
My interest was piqued by Hunt's claiming "I am an entrepreneur" in more than a few debates/interviews. How he thinks this would be a qualification for the job as PM, I am not sure, but I was interested in the basis for his claims.
I grant that the "trousering of £14M" does indeed point to a level of entrepreneurial skill. Did I not say "well done him!"? I must admit to having a level of suspicion that his pal (Michael Elms) may have been a driving force there, given his track record. Although I have to say I don't know.
As for my being "well up on financial numbers"; well, can you show me where I have claimed that? I have never claimed such a thing.
Your comments re Corbyn are irrelevant. I have said, more than once, in these forums that I am not a fan of Corbyn as Labour Party leader so I presume your throwing in that comment was just a spot of the legendary JB "whatabouterism". I must say though, you have me intrigued now re the CGT on one's home. That will give me something to look at while waiting for this poxy weather to improve!
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 07:18
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More snake oil salesman than entrepreneur.......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7529671.html
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 07:53
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Successful newspaper columnist, successful editor, award winning author, twice mayor of London, successful at being elected to Parliament (eat your heart out Farage), former cabinet minister, and one of two candidates to take over as PM.

I’m reminded of the old George Best joke - “So George, where did it all go wrong?”........

The Economist:-

"In a big field, there was one outstanding candidate. He failed miserably as foreign secretary. He sniped at Mrs May while in Cabinet. He has agitated against her deal from the backbenches and in his lucrative newspaper column without presenting a real alternative. A demagogue not a statesman, he is the most irresponsible politician the country has seen for many years."
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 07:58
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"A basic free trade agreement is in the interests of EU exporters and Consumers just as as much as those in the UK"

This is the specious argument peddled in 2016 - remember how all those German car makers were going to rise up to allow the UK to leave with a great deal because it was in their interest (allegedly)?

people in the Eu don't see it that way - and when and if Boris gets in he'll be the man who said that Britain could have its cake and eat it on EU trade.... I don't think they've forgotten..............
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 08:03
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
The Economist:-

"In a big field, there was one outstanding candidate. He failed miserably as foreign secretary. He sniped at Mrs May while in Cabinet. He has agitated against her deal from the backbenches and in his lucrative newspaper column without presenting a real alternative. A demagogue not a statesman, he is the most irresponsible politician the country has seen for many years."
Johnson is running around making rash promises about leaving the EU on 31.10.19, whatever, with no deal if necessary, as though he is running for president, rather than for prime minister in a parliamentary democracy. Simple fact is that if parliament won't accept leaving with no deal then his promises are empty, and he is toast. He doesn't have a thick pad of "executive order" forms, nor a Sharpie to sign them with.

Does he really want his prime ministership to be in the record books as one of the shortest in history?

Hunt is behaving nearly as unrealistically, but at least he hasn't been so stupid as to commit to any date "come what may". What I find difficult to believe is that the 160,000 strong electorate is so blinkered / naive as to believe what Johnson is promising, knowing that when doesn't deliver they will in all probability be, as an indirect consequence, enabling transfer of power to a Corbyn lead government.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 09:29
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Simple fact is that if parliament won't accept leaving with no deal then his promises are empty, and he is toast.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...h-constitution
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 10:08
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Although you no doubt posted Bogdanor in support of Brexit are you aware that he thinks that the only way out of the current impasse is a second referendum ?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 10:35
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Their opinion would carry more weight if they’d discussed what Carney actually said, rather than what Boris said he said, and then apologised for misrepresenting! There’s no disagreement that GATT24 can be used as described, but there is disagreement on whether the EU would go for that solution. Still, it’s another plank in the Brexiteers’ marshalling of their “it’s all the EU’s fault innit guv” in case no deal happens, and proves to be the nightmare many predict.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:26
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There are probably a lot more within the EU who very, very much want to avoid a 'no deal' than the remoaners like to make out, let's just start here: Economy could contract in no-deal Brexit - Varadkar.
The Department of Finance reiterated its view that gross domestic product growth would fall to anywhere between zero and 1% in 2020 if Britain crashes out of the bloc later this year, rather than growing by the forecast 3.3% if it secures an orderly Brexit.

However, Leo Varadkar warned today it could be worse.

"In a no-deal hard Brexit - in which case we won't have to worry about the economy over-heating - it will slow down rapidly, even contract," he said at the National Economic Dialogue in Dublin Castle today.
They are trying to be 'brave' about it and say "it would be Britain's decision if it leaves the European Union without a deal, not the EU's", but they are quite rightly worried. But it is simple for them, they can be 'fatalists' and take what comes, or they could could start talking about how things could work better for themselves and do something positively to try to influence their own futures in a good way. I.e., start thinking of how to avoid the risk to them of a 'no deal', such as reopening negotiations. Sorry, I forgot, their EU Masters won't allow them to do something so common-sense.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:58
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Yes, Brexit is all the EU's fault. They made us leave, they paid for the red bus to be painted, and they forced us to demand concessions that they couldn't accept. Then they bribed half of parliament to disagree.

Just as well we are leaving!
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 13:04
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Yes, Brexit is all the EU's fault. They made us leave, they paid for the red bus to be painted, and they forced us to demand concessions that they couldn't accept. Then they bribed half of parliament to disagree.

Just as well we are leaving!
I'm sure that you are posting that knowing that it is bollocks!! Try harder.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:22
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Yes of course it's bollocks.

Bollocks to think that the EU is responsible in any way for the gigantic pit that the UK has dug for itself.

Blame yourself, not those who begged you not to do it.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:38
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Just read what you have written.

Whether you agree with them or not, a large proportion of Brexit voters will have voted to leave because of the behaviour, perceived or not, of the EU.

If the EU had been perfect then we almost certainly wouldn’t have voted to leave. We probably wouldn’t have had a referendum in the first place.

Brexit voters have to, and are probably happy to, own the decision to leave. But you cannot say the EU is blameless.

A bloated organisation that has over reached and become a self licking lollipop (and I firmly believe will not survive in the longer term) is what I voted to leave.

Of course you will disagree, as is your right. C’est la vie.

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