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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 20:05
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BJ will get in because the Tory party were not clever enough to choose Gove. They did that simply because he took their unicorns off the table. But it will be fun. It will be a continuation of the Theresa show but without even a majority of any sort, even with the support of the DUP.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 20:55
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Racedo has hit the nail on the head: quote: "The anarchy part of me does. The last bit of the empire crumbles from within and the Playing Jesters of Eton were a large part of it." The sadly declining empty shell of a country who "lost an Empire and never found a role.". Mussolini; summed it up as a Fish rots from the head down, and the kipper is really beginning to pong. The whole body politic of the UK ! has revealed its self in all its glory to be incapable of governance.

The process of selection of MP's needs to randomized, in the same way we select Jurors. Limits imposed on the number of years a MP can sit for a constituency should be limited and yes there's a downside but ... Proper CV's of an individual standing for Parliament including all past convictions - An induction period for those elected would help. STV as a method of Vote selection. - We will get some unpleasant characters elected but look at the current crop (or Crock).
The Two party system in the UK has collapsed under its over remunerated incompetence - Local Government likewise needs reform. Of course members of the existing Cadre can still stand but "Citizen Candidates"- should they decide to stand should be exempt from the registration fees.

There are lots of problems with what I'm suggesting but breakup of the existing backscratching, nepotistic, class based cabal is vital. There are lots of people in the populace with good educations and proper life set abilities. A Government of the People, by the People for the People. The alternative is chaos.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 21:00
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History will look back at this period as being the death throws of this Conservative Government. The self destruction is seemingly unstoppable.
Every passing day Corbyn and the Lib Dem’s must be rubbing their hands with glee.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 21:31
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It must all look very strange to the whole wide world.
The country faces perhaps the worst catastrophic defeat since Chamberlain returned from Munich. Parliament is crippled, the criminal judiciary is on the point of collapse and yet there's a serious national argument as to whether the only man who could pull the nation out of this alligator pond has become a villain because he has a loud if non violent argument with his mistress.
Britain really can't afford such self indulgence.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 21:43
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Cavortingcheetah: The problem is that the Brits (me included) do not really appreciate the depth of the problems facing this state. Any flea-Bag "Democracy" where there is a Vacuum of leadership at the "Top" inevitably slides into some form of Civil Conflict. I'm not overstating the problem. My Grandfather had to leave the country where he was born because of the threat posed by a vicious Civil War.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 21:56
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If you read Land for the Many there can be little doubt that civil war will come to the UK in one form or another should any future government attempt to implement this policy.
It's worth stating that some of the ideas contained in the schedule are long overdue but Monbiot wants to go far beyond redressing a few anomalies.
There'll probably be some restrictions on the renewal of shotgun certificates before the plan is proposed in its entirety, this'll be a heads up. That will most likely take place at the beginning of the second Stalinist government but before Britain completes its financial alliance with Russia in exchange for cheap oil and gas after it has exhausted its western international credit lines.

http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uplo...r-the-Many.pdf
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
It must all look very strange to the whole wide world.
The country faces perhaps the worst catastrophic defeat since Chamberlain returned from Munich. Parliament is crippled, the criminal judiciary is on the point of collapse and yet there's a serious national argument as to whether the only man who could pull the nation out of this alligator pond has become a villain because he has a loud if non violent argument with his mistress.
Britain really can't afford such self indulgence.
You really can't believe that.

Can you?

Really?

Honestly?

Truthfully?

Not joking?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 23:01
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You really can't believe that.

Can you?

Really?

Honestly?

Truthfully?

Not joking?
Unfortunately many do but hearing from same people who parrot whatever this Govt is stating about anything, longs as it is their party, when other party in it was everything they did was wrong.

1984 summed them up correctly as people incapable of original thought who followed what ever the goggle box said.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 00:34
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Damn, that's a lot of posts on a spelling error title.
I'm going to assume he becomes PM and Brexit is a no-deal, sort things out as we go.
Leaves me wondering how he is going to deal with Donald? That could be fun.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 01:17
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
It must all look very strange to the whole wide world.
The country faces perhaps the worst catastrophic defeat since Chamberlain returned from Munich. Parliament is crippled, the criminal judiciary is on the point of collapse and yet there's a serious national argument as to whether the only man who could pull the nation out of this alligator pond has become a villain because he has a loud if non violent argument with his mistress.
Britain really can't afford such self indulgence.
Three things struck me over this story,

If he believed it was in our interest to hear this story was he paid by the Guardian for it? or did he just give it as part of what he felt his civic duties were.

Is he a supporter of Boris or is this his attempt to knobble him as I seem to remember a sign on a gate once saying the neighbour had nor wanted anything to do with him.

How the hell do you get Police to respond to anything this side of Christmas, I am surprised they never just sent a questionnaire out and a how are we doing text.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 01:27
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Originally Posted by CATIII-NDB View Post
Cavortingcheetah: The problem is that the Brits (me included) do not really appreciate the depth of the problems facing this state. Any flea-Bag "Democracy" where there is a Vacuum of leadership at the "Top" inevitably slides into some form of Civil Conflict. I'm not overstating the problem. My Grandfather had to leave the country where he was born because of the threat posed by a vicious Civil War.
I'm not sure about "civil conflict" per se, but I do think we are headed for substantial levels of civil disobedience and disruption on a scale way beyond the usual flat-earthers and rent-a-mob gatherings. But in my view, the greatest challenge will come not from the general populace not being in agreement with governmental policies but from a paucity of relevant policies in the first place and an impotence to implement those that become statutes. Such a vacuum of leadership/management inevitably will be filled by a proletarian substitute. Unruly civil behaviour is contrary to what we expect of ourselves, it is out of national character but there has not been a time in recent history when the country has been so starved of people of any consequence and competence prepared to provide the political leadership it so desperately needs. In the past, "cometh the hour" has provided the man but not this time.

Boris's private problems aren't really a matter of concern for the rest of us but this present case does bring cause for doubt. All Boris had to do was keep his head down and lip buttoned on any subject not germane to the leadership contest until the heat was off. But no, he needlessly becomes embroiled in a "domestic" which becomes very public and must damage his credibility as a leader in whom we might have confidence. If he can't manage the small things, how will he cope with serious matters? He had it in the bag - perhaps he still does - but it has to make Jeremy Hunt, despite his charisma by-pass and being a closet Remainer, appear an increasingly credible choice.

Tighten your straps - we're going inverted!.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 01:28
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Originally Posted by CATIII-NDB View Post
Racedo has hit the nail on the head: quote: "The anarchy part of me does. The last bit of the empire crumbles from within and the Playing Jesters of Eton were a large part of it." The sadly declining empty shell of a country who "lost an Empire and never found a role.". Mussolini; summed it up as a Fish rots from the head down, and the kipper is really beginning to pong. The whole body politic of the UK ! has revealed its self in all its glory to be incapable of governance.

The process of selection of MP's needs to randomized, in the same way we select Jurors. Limits imposed on the number of years a MP can sit for a constituency should be limited and yes there's a downside but ... Proper CV's of an individual standing for Parliament including all past convictions - An induction period for those elected would help. STV as a method of Vote selection. - We will get some unpleasant characters elected but look at the current crop (or Crock).
The Two party system in the UK has collapsed under its over remunerated incompetence - Local Government likewise needs reform. Of course members of the existing Cadre can still stand but "Citizen Candidates"- should they decide to stand should be exempt from the registration fees.

There are lots of problems with what I'm suggesting but breakup of the existing backscratching, nepotistic, class based cabal is vital. There are lots of people in the populace with good educations and proper life set abilities. A Government of the People, by the People for the People. The alternative is chaos.

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i have said similar for years and also included that they must have shown to have 10 years paid occupation in a none political role before being considered, you cannot govern and tax people without an understanding of how the system works from a practical sense. I would bin the House of Lords too and replace them with a people's house drawn without favour or bias as we do for jury service using the same system and serving for a period of years
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 01:32
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"with the intention of damaging his reputation."




Boris's reputation is so well known its almost impossible for him to damage it

the man is a complete idiot - I always find it interesting that NO-ONE who has had him as an employee will say a word in his favor..... he is a serial liar and has been since he made up quotes in his first job and was run off...................
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 04:33
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Boris...famed for being a "great communicator "......allegedly.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ohnson-cartoon

However, he can take comfort from the Mail's support..,.., never knowingly under hyperboled, ( just made that up Noel, to save you wondering ) the rag lives up to it's reputation......with the all the emotive vocabulary it can muster

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48740185
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 06:19
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I am really looking forward to Bozza taking the reins. Of course it's the kind of looking forward that causes people to slow down on the motorway to have a gawp in the aftermath of a crash hoping to see a big pool of blood and possibly a detached limb or two, but that is the nature of modern politics.

All this survivalist talk however is nonsense. When I was eighteen I joined the International Socialists and at my second meeting I was expelled. My crime was to state that a Britain wasn't the kind of place that did revolutions and that we would be better working for a Labour government that held power long term. I therefore invented New Labour a good quarter century before Tony Blair.

Let us allow Boris his five minutes of fun. We can all then have a good laugh at his expense and get back to the real world in a country led by somebody relatively sane.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 06:40
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Unfortunately many do but hearing from same people who parrot whatever this Govt is stating about anything, longs as it is their party, when other party in it was everything they did was wrong.

1984 summed them up correctly as people incapable of original thought who followed what ever the goggle box said.
True, but how does your original thinker (outside the box, away from the Westminster bubble) make their views known? Where do we get our facts from upon which to form valid original thought?

Papers present original thought from some gifted thinkers; the Telegraph had one, no prize for guessing😀. The broadcast media, aka the goggle box has others. How do we determine which is better?

I would argue that it was ever thus.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 07:54
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Please tell me I wasn't the only one who saw the Times headline and imagined a Spoonerism.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 08:51
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'Boris private problems aren't reall a concern for the rest of us.' Are you completely mad-this man is unstable, violent towards wonmen or at least uncaring, a liar , cheat fraud, it goes on and on .

He would have his finger our our Nuke button-is he competent for that NO . Even the US backstop to prevent a rogue Brit PM launching nukes is gone now that Trump , an even more unsuitable individual is in power.
Now we have the despairing PR machine of the Tory party attacking a man who did his civic duty by calling the police on a violent domestic situation is being questioned because he supported a different view to her- that sound like a dictatorship? People should go to prison over the lies and disinformation over Brexit
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 08:55
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He would have his finger our our Nuke button-is he competent for that NO . Even the US backstop to prevent a rogue Brit PM launching nukes is gone now that Trump , an even more unsuitable individual is in power.
Well if Corbyn ever gets into power, one would hate to think what he would repurpose the button for.
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Pax

The civic duty of calling the police is not (or should not) be questioned. There was no ‘duty’ to pass the the recording to the Guardian. That was opportunism.

As for people going to prison over Brexit, from which side of the argument? Obviously you think Brexiteers lied and therefore deserve time at Her Majesty’s pleasure. I don’t think the instigators of project fear can claim to have been 100% truthful either. Do you equally support their imprisonment or were their lies ok because they fit your agenda?

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