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Old 18th May 2019, 03:23
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This is why I stay here, why I, despite everything the British more specifically the English haven't actually gone actually insane.
Well you may have retained a measure of sanity but the country stands a very good chance of having a Marxist-Trot dictatorship within a couple of years if voters continue to shun the polls, or use it to "send messages". For better or worse, the country may have to eat crow and choose the least, worst, option, whether that be Boris, a BREXIT mouth, or a Lib Dem apologist. Someone needs to tell the British people that government by democracy must not mean that they have the run of the sweet shop and can try everything for a day.

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Old 18th May 2019, 06:46
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The lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.......I'm off to Venezuela if BoJo gets the keys to Number 10.
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Old 18th May 2019, 07:13
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Good luck with, pack some toilet paper. Though they might be glad to see you if bring some dollars or sterling......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/v...cent-0kfv7bg3s

Venezuela crisis: Learning to live with inflation at one million per cent

“Of all the many things Venezuela lacks in this land of one million per cent inflation — food, water, medicine, petrol — two are especially absent here: foreign visitors and money.....”

“And yet back in Caracas, a mini-boom is under way in the most unlikely form. The capital is dotted with “dollar stores”; upmarket boutiques that sell everything from American cereals to foie gras, to anyone who has hard currency to spend.”.......

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Old 18th May 2019, 07:37
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Whilst the prospect of a buffoon in charge of the country might not appeal, if it means that the 'people' are granted their wish to leave the EU it might not be too great a price to pay.
That's one of those classical understatements really....given the buffoon in question and his reputation

The buffoon was true to form when he announced his intention ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ory-leadership

Note the bit about "tactfully and usefully ", both terms, either singular or combined, never being readily associated with Boris....and with no precedents expected.
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Old 18th May 2019, 08:45
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Letís be honest.

All politicians started life as the kids who never went out to play at lunchtime. You know the ones. The weedy kids who used to talk about the kind of stuff that kids just shouldnít be interested in.

I donít think any British politician is ever going to be someone that we all think is right to lead us. The kind of inspirational, dynamic figure that we all envisage just doesnít exist. Those kids went out to play at lunchtime and are probably now all leaders in business instead.

For the record, I donít want Boris, Jeremy or Nigel (!) to be my PM but who else is there? Who do we all think it should be?

Talk about trying to pick the the best of a bad bunch. Maybe itís time to start thinking a little bit like other countries and getting a leader who isnít a career politician. Would that help?!

ďYou can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't ÖĒ Ö please all the people all of the timeĒ (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).

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Old 18th May 2019, 08:53
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Of the current crop I'd go for either Jo Johnson (bojo's sentient brother) or Hilary Benn. Both of these have shown leadership qualities, a focus on delivery and achievability rather than just political dogma, sound bites and self-aggrandisement. That they are from opposing parties doesn't really matter to me - I could see either of them actually doing the job and getting stuff done, which is something I can't say of any of the more prominent candidates.

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Old 18th May 2019, 09:39
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Of the current crop I'd go for either Jo Johnson (bojo's sentient brother) or Hilary Benn. Both of these have shown leadership qualities, a focus on delivery and achievability.......
And neither will deliver or achieve our departure from the EU. Or have any particular interest in doing so. So the loss of trust in the political system would just deepen.
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Old 18th May 2019, 09:59
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I don't have Sallyanne's crystal ball of certainty but my analysis remains the same as it has for the last 2 years - Brexit is not going to happen, it will not be allowed.
Closest we will get is Brino IMO and who/whatever is enthroned at No10 will make sod all difference as they are all the same. (lying, corrupt, self interested bastards)
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Old 18th May 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
And neither will deliver or achieve our departure from the EU. Or have any particular interest in doing so. So the loss of trust in the political system would just deepen.
In your own words, what makes you think Boris is capable of doing so ?...
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Old 18th May 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
That's one of those classical understatements really....given the buffoon in question and his reputation

The buffoon was true to form when he announced his intention ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ory-leadership

Note the bit about "tactfully and usefully ", both terms, either singular or combined, never being readily associated with Boris....and with no precedents expected.
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Old 18th May 2019, 10:55
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I note from a recent news video that the oaf appears to have lost the services of his Nanny who would, normally, check that he had tucked his shirt into his trousers before going out to play. On the other hand , given his predisposition to 'spreading his talents', as it were, maybe an enforced hurried exit for other reasons? Such a credit to the social image of his chosen Party!
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Old 18th May 2019, 17:21
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Of the 3, I would only categorise two as leaders. BV and a fewer others here will have experienced true leaders rather than executives, leaders, managers or whatever. Churchill was a leader, Atlee was a leader, Wilson and Thatcher were leaders though the latter was also divisive.

Johnson is divisive but I think also a leader. Hillary Benn is not as his father but is certainly better than most in the party.
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Old 18th May 2019, 18:15
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BV's hit the (somewhat obvious) nail on the head, which is the dearth of talent out there in our political elite.

Generalising I know but...

most of the Tories are basically self serving, and just want to retain power for their own and their rich banker and industry mates sakes
most of the Labour lot you really wouldnt trust to run a kindergarten. The mere prospect of JC and his shadow cabinet getting their hands on the levers of power causes a shudder (and not just in me as the polls indicate)
their is no LD talent pool as their isnt enough of them
Nigel doesnt really have a party or any policies on anything other than leaving the EU. What he does have in his favour is a personality, which seems to be playing quite well (for now) with a good few people. Would I vote for him at GE time, if his party stood? Maybe - I'd consider it. All the other options seem so unappealing that I could easily see myself saying "well, what the hell?" BoJo is such an imbecile, Javid doesnt really stand for anything, Leadsom isnt competent enough, Gove - not sure, I think he's missed the boat anyway in terms of the leadership, Hunt, Mourdant, others that I dont even know the names of. None of them really stand out, at least at the moment.

We do really need that "knight in shining armor", but I cant see where that person or group of people is coming from.
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Old 18th May 2019, 18:35
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Thankyou. I think!

Anyway, America got Trump (lucky them) why canít we have a proven (I know you can argue against Donaldís success) business leader? Branson, Dyson, Ratcliffe, Walmsley. Could they do any worse than our current crop of Ďleadersí?

Of course the career politicians would complain that the individuals I have named donít know how Westminster works. Does anyone? Is it really working right now?!

Maybe we should put the Queen in charge!

Iím obviously being slightly facetious with all of the above but really, why must we only get an individual from the poor selection on offer? Itís a bit like choosing a national football team from the ranks of the Sunday League.

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Old 18th May 2019, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Thankyou. I think!

Anyway, America got Trump (lucky them) why canít we have a proven (I know you can argue against Donaldís success) business leader? Branson, Dyson, Ratcliffe, Walmsley. Could they do any worse than our current crop of Ďleadersí?

Of course the career politicians would complain that the individuals I have named donít know how Westminster works. Does anyone? Is it really working right now?!

Maybe we should put the Queen in charge!

Iím obviously being slightly facetious with all of the above but really, why must we only get an individual from the poor selection on offer? Itís a bit like choosing a national football team from the ranks of the Sunday League.

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And by way of your suggestion of industry leaders I think you're actually touching upon one of the key issues, which is that politics is no longer an enticing primary (or even second) career for the brightest and best in our society.

And I blame the mainstream media

We've had it drilled into us that all politicians are paid too much. That's simply not true. In comparison with other leaders, especially in the private sector, they are not paid nearly enough (not if you want to attract the best people anyway)
MPs, especially ministers and shadow cabinet ministers, are put under the most intense scrutiny by our unscrupulous media. Frankly, I couldnt give a damn what they do in their private time or whom they do it with, to a point of course. If they were a double agent working for the KGB I'd probably want to know about it.
The most ridiculous one, that always gets me, is the revelations that the PM, cabinet ministers,etc GO ON HOLIDAY. Wow, who'd have thought that? Almost without fail some rag dreams up a crisis of some sort and demands Minister X returns from his swiss holiday chalet or whatever. They work, they are entitled to a holiday, end of.

I do think the whole "beat up on the MP attitude" perpetuated by the mainstream media has gone way too far and we're now reaping what we've sown, in terms of the bunch of lightweights that we get nowadays.
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Old 18th May 2019, 20:18
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Ok, lot's of rhetoric here. So, riddle me this, where does a person that disagrees with immigration & unregulated "financial services" but agrees with nationalisation of the utilities place his or her vote???
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Old 19th May 2019, 06:51
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Accurately summated by Mr Campbell.....but that's Boris for you.

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Old 19th May 2019, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Private jet View Post
Ok, lot's of rhetoric here. So, riddle me this, where does a person that disagrees with immigration & unregulated "financial services" but agrees with nationalisation of the utilities place his or her vote???
I'd suggest they use it as a suppository. But that's more an indication of my own political/economic views than anything else...



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Old 19th May 2019, 07:15
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A head to head debate between Boris and Corbyn would be....... amusing.......
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Old 19th May 2019, 07:18
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Accurately summated by Mr Campbell....
Aaah, the lying attention seeker with his fingerprints all over the September document that took us into War on false premise eh?
That people still give validity to the comments of such fakers and charlatans is a sad indication of how far UK politics has descended into farce
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