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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:18
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I really hope that Boris can deliver, or the UK will be up a certain creek without a certain instrument...
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:21
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...and in a barbed wire canoe!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:27
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Brilliant !..so on the basis of a some new incumbents in the EU, the UK induced vacillations, inability to reach a deal, UK politics ( with a special mention to JR-M and cohorts here ) riddled with incestuous political warfare, suddenly all the last few years will be forgotten as peace and harmony are restored allowing the UK to serenely enter the promised land sans the EU.......and Boris will be at the front mounted on a white unicorn no doubt.

tt may have escaped your notice, but, one Mr Hunt has visions of himself lecturing the nation from outside a des res gated community in London.....and, surprisingly, as in any election, he's simply saying what he thinks is best for him to achieve this ambition. .......factual implementations of his alluring statement will turn out to more than a shade problematic...they will be non existent
I'm glad you agree with me.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:30
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Given that Jeremy Hunt is Theresa May Mark 2, there can be absolutely no doubt that Boris Johnson will be the next Prime Minister. Hunt would try and kick the can down the road and arrange further negotiations with the EU. At least Johnson is prepared to accept the probability of no deal Brexit.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 17:38
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So Boris and Hunt left standing.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:37
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I was going to join the Conservative & Unionist Party just to vote against Barmy Boris but I left it too late. I would also have voted against Jeremy Punt. Ah well, I'll just spend the money I've saved on some vino collapso!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
I was going to join the Conservative & Unionist Party just to vote against Barmy Boris but I left it too late. I would also have voted against Jeremy Punt. Ah well, I'll just spend the money I've saved on some vino collapso!
Traitor, you should have bought English wine. I think you misspelled Jeremy's name. It starts with a C.

After Boris the official name of the party will have to change though because the Union will be gone. Britain will be just a geographic entity.

I suppose England could try to re-invade the 'home countries'. Imperator Boris in charge. I'm sorry I just see him in in an Imperial Toga. I suspect he does too.

I'm just joking, of course.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 21:34
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The polls disagree, and by far more than any margin of error.




I see tonight the suggestion is that Hunt would be more likely to win an election.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:02
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IF Bojo becomes PM then Royal Mail will be busy on Father's day delivering mail to Number 10.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
They Tory party leadership campaigns since 1970's have give us

Major
Hague
Duncan Smith
Howard
Cameron
May

Bojo is up there with the rank crapfullness of them.
The Labour Party leadership campaigns sine the 1970 have given us:

Foot
Kinnock
Smith
Bliar
Brown
Miliband
Corbyn

(The only decent one of the lot was Smith.)

Corbyn is up there with the rank crapfullness of them.

And Brown, without a doubt, the worst PM in modern Britain.

But the most overriding factor now compared with the 'coronation' of 2007 is that there is a choice for party members to vote on. Then it was King Tony decreeing to the Party sheep that 'thou shalt take King Gordon as your next king' and nowt else.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 23:30
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
The Labour Party leadership campaigns sine the 1970 have given us:<br /><br />Foot<br />Kinnock<br />Smith<br />Bliar<br />Brown<br />Miliband<br />Corbyn<br /><br />(The only decent one of the lot was Smith.)<br /><br />Corbyn is up there with the rank crapfullness of them.<br /><br />And Brown, without a doubt, the worst PM in modern Britain.<br /><br />But the most overriding factor now compared with the 'coronation' of 2007 is that there is a choice for party members to vote on. Then it was King Tony decreeing to the Party sheep that 'thou shalt take King Gordon as your next king' and nowt else.
<br /><br />Brown was crap but Cameron followed on and he was even worse.<br /><br />Brown stood over 10 plus years of extensive growth as Chancellor, Cameron was inept from the start.<br /><br />Blair was a good PM, he lost it all on Iraq war but unfortunately he had little manouvre here, saying No and US would have got its revenge and destroyed UK economy.<br /><br />Cameron so inept that even with Brown he couldn't gain a majority in 2010, fact is that Brown could have remained as PM if LibDems had opted for Labour because SNP/PC/SDLP would not have supported the Tories.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 04:39
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
The Labour Party leadership campaigns sine the 1970 have given us:

Foot
Kinnock
Smith
Bliar
Brown
Miliband
Corbyn

(The only decent one of the lot was Smith.)

Corbyn is up there with the rank crapfullness of them.

And Brown, without a doubt, the worst PM in modern Britain.

But the most overriding factor now compared with the 'coronation' of 2007 is that there is a choice for party members to vote on. Then it was King Tony decreeing to the Party sheep that 'thou shalt take King Gordon as your next king' and nowt else.
You appear to be confused as to the party in question here, given sheep get a mention. Although to be (almost) fair, sheep are intelligent animals and not given to the duplicity and connivance of the Tory party and the cosmetic illusion of " voting" for a new, "leader"........

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ngs-fall-apart

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gs-warm-up-act

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48713959

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:04
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Cameron so inept that even with Brown he couldn't gain a majority in 2010, fact is that Brown could have remained as PM if LibDems had opted for Labour because SNP/PC/SDLP would not have supported the Tories.
Ah, the normal bizarre worldview of the left.........

The Conservatives were comfortably the largest party after the 2010 general election. Even with LibDem support, Brown would not have had a majority......

BTW, the 'inept' Cameron subsequently secured a majority at the 2015 general election
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 06:52
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Ah, the normal bizarre worldview of the left.........

The Conservatives were comfortably the largest party after the 2010 general election. Even with LibDem support, Brown would not have had a majority......

BTW, the 'inept' Cameron subsequently secured a majority at the 2015 general election
About this majority....that would be a resounding 12 then ?........and you might have noticed Dave, and inept, are inextricably linked given his legacy to the UK over the last three years.....soon to be compounded with the arrival of whoever offers the most bribes. sorry, inducements, to their right (dis) honourable colleagues

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:42
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And Brown, without a doubt, the worst PM in modern Britain.
Come on; you've got to be serious blinkered to say that. He was dealt a very poor hand, no doubt to some extent by his attitude towards regulation of the banking industry, but the financial crisis began in the USA, and the UK caught a severe cold because of the UK financial services close linkage to the UK industry. The action that the Brown government saved us from a far worse fate by intervening in the crisis in the way it did. Brown also suffered the equivalent of a plague of locusts withe the foot and mouth outbreak. No, he wasn't the best communicator, and we was a control freak but he isn't alone in having those traits.

The two worst PMs, insofar as they are / were masters of their own destiny were Cameron, for mishandling the whole Brexit referendum issue from it's conception to it's outcome, then resigning leaving someone else to clear up the God awful mess; and then May who has totally mishandled the Brexit negotiation by being in hock to her ERG "party within a party", and also holding a very flawed and unnecessary general election. i had hoped and expected much better from both.

Best PM in recent history was probably John Major who was a true "one nation Tory", and when he was anointed I remember him being expected to simply carry on the Thatcher dogma, but in fact was very much more moderate. And although Blair took the credit, it was Major who did the groundwork that got us relative peace in Northern Ireland - something which the current Tory party, in cahoots with the DUP seem hell bent on undoing.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:28
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Come on; you've got to be serious blinkered to say that. He was dealt a very poor hand, no doubt to some extent by his attitude towards regulation of the banking industry, but the financial crisis began in the USA, and the UK caught a severe cold because of the UK financial services close linkage to the UK industry. The action that the Brown government saved us from a far worse fate by intervening in the crisis in the way it did. Brown also suffered the equivalent of a plague of locusts withe the foot and mouth outbreak. No, he wasn't the best communicator, and we was a control freak but he isn't alone in having those traits.

The two worst PMs, insofar as they are / were masters of their own destiny were Cameron, for mishandling the whole Brexit referendum issue from it's conception to it's outcome, then resigning leaving someone else to clear up the God awful mess; and then May who has totally mishandled the Brexit negotiation by being in hock to her ERG "party within a party", and also holding a very flawed and unnecessary general election. i had hoped and expected much better from both.

Best PM in recent history was probably John Major who was a true "one nation Tory", and when he was anointed I remember him being expected to simply carry on the Thatcher dogma, but in fact was very much more moderate. And although Blair took the credit, it was Major who did the groundwork that got us relative peace in Northern Ireland - something which the current Tory party, in cahoots with the DUP seem hell bent on undoing.
Major caved into the DUP/UUP because of Tory right and abandoned NI Peace process with bombs in London the result. He completely lost control of his party and they were dead men walking for most of the term.

Blair / Aherne / Clinton got GFA over the line with Mo Mowlem worthy of a mention because of he willingness to tell each side to GFY when it got too tense. Hearing a Unionist participant in a talk on it, he was clear that "her foul mouthed language" as described often broke the tension, especially when she using some words local to her.

John Major's speech in 1997 on election day +1 on losing and then heading off to the cricket for a pint showed he was a gent, no bitterness, no rancour, probably just glad it was all over.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:31
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Mo Mowlam

How quickly times have changed. Bad language would get you fired now or at the very least pilloried within the court of social media.

BV
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:42
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So here we are, we Conservative Party members, forced by the stupidity of Conservative MPs into a choice between a performing buffoon and compulsive liar with no real experience of international diplomacy and negotiation on one hand, and the self-regarding prat who destroyed the spirit and morale of the NHS on the other.

On the basis of believing that Johnson is marginally more venal and dangerous than the *unt, I'll probably vote for the *unt. But it's a close run thing. I still believe that both are just as dangerous as Corbyn for the well-being of the UK.

I am 90% confident that the outcome, regardless of which piece of s**t gets to be PM, will be a second referendum and/or a General Election before the end of the year, when the real "Will Of The People" will surprise no-one who has been aware that only 37% of the electorate voted to Leave..
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
How quickly times have changed. Bad language would get you fired now or at the very least pilloried within the court of social media.

BV
Oh there was worse.

US Congressman in NI listening to all sides when a DUPer went over the top in sectarian abuse, GOP congressman was a "pastor" at home and said DUPer thought he was like minded, after 10 minutes congressman leaned forward and just said "Why don't you just F*** OFF, you ignorant Sectarian C***".

US security detail plus lots of others headed out into corridor from laughter, said DUPer never really got heard by anybody after that.
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
So here we are, we Conservative Party members, forced by the stupidity of Conservative MPs into a choice between a performing buffoon and compulsive liar with no real experience of international diplomacy and negotiation on one hand, and the self-regarding prat who destroyed the spirit and morale of the NHS on the other.

On the basis of believing that Johnson is marginally more venal and dangerous than the *unt, I'll probably vote for the *unt. But it's a close run thing. I still believe that both are just as dangerous as Corbyn for the well-being of the UK.

I am 90% confident that the outcome, regardless of which piece of s**t gets to be PM, will be a second referendum and/or a General Election before the end of the year, when the real "Will Of The People" will surprise no-one who has been aware that only 37% of the electorate voted to Leave..
And even fewer voted to stay...

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