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Old 17th May 2019, 11:10
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Won’t help much. Firstly the PM doesn’t have to be the leader of the party and set policy; and, as in the case of the Greens, you can have the situation of joint leaders. In the end the MPs of any party select and follow those amongst themselves who they expect to best serve their interests, and always will.


Which why Labour is in such a mess after the membership, let alone the public, chose Corbyn to be their “leader” in the HoC. That’s worked out well hasn’t it?
The membership is perfectly at liberty to choose who it would like to be as it's leader, the infiltration of the left wing ensured that Corbyn got the job for Labour. If in the current circumstance, the Tory party membership chose Rees-Mogg, or say Andrew Bridgen (both ERG and neither, presently, candidates) as leader the public, through some sort of electoral process could decide whether the new leader suits them. It might encourage party members to be less extreme in their views, if they wish their party to remain in power.
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Old 17th May 2019, 11:20
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Under Conservative rules the MPs select two candidates and the party then gets to pick between them.

Until recently Boris was considered as not likely to make the cut, however the opinion polls continue to show he will attract the greatest number of votes over and above any other of the runners, and hence save the greatest number of MOs their seats. He is therefore back in the running. Rumours still abound in the press that he has done a deal with Amber Rudd who will run as his deputy.

If if he does make the cut, he will not automatically get my vote, depending on who is selected as the other candidate.
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Old 17th May 2019, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Planemike View Post
What difference will having a different leader make??
Very Little in the big picture
Same old system, it all needs to be taken apart, all my voting from now on will go towards wrecking the system I don't care that much about what replaces it I just want revenge on the buggers that have ****** us over all these years

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Old 17th May 2019, 12:28
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Hyperdark +1, or 2 because madam agrees
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Old 17th May 2019, 12:31
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
The membership is perfectly at liberty to choose who it would like to be as it's leader, the infiltration of the left wing ensured that Corbyn got the job for Labour. If in the current circumstance, the Tory party membership chose Rees-Mogg, or say Andrew Bridgen (both ERG and neither, presently, candidates) as leader the public, through some sort of electoral process could decide whether the new leader suits them. It might encourage party members to be less extreme in their views, if they wish their party to remain in power.
Andrew Bridgen is my MP and he has actually voted on all of the Brexit issues as his electorate voted. I cannot fault the man for that.
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Old 17th May 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
If if he does make the cut, he will not automatically get my vote, depending on who is selected as the other candidate.
If he does make the cut, expect a big swing towards a 'Stop Boris' candidate.
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Old 17th May 2019, 13:05
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Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.
Is that true?
What have we done to deserve this?
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Old 17th May 2019, 13:16
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What have we done to deserve this:

You broke your parliamentary pledge to the people, trampled your constitution into the mud and allowed yourselves to be influenced by people such as Gina Miller, the ex BMW girl, servant of the Evil Empire to the south instead of getting on with the promised job and just leaving the EU!
Modesty prevents me from saying that it is a well deserved fate that may yet prove to be the salvation of the country, the damnation of the Marxists and the return of a Labour Party that can provide an efficient opposition and a government for the 21st century were it ever called upon to do so.
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Old 17th May 2019, 13:19
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Of course BoJo is currently facing a probable prosecution for Misconduct in Public Office, which would rule him out of the running (and indeed out of Parliament) if it goes ahead - the decision on this is due next week.

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Old 17th May 2019, 13:51
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Game of Thrones finishes next week. Coincidence?
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Old 17th May 2019, 14:02
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It's a private crowd funded prosecution, an obvious witch hunt on the part of a vindictive section of anti Johnson socialist mercenaries.
The main man, in the middle perhaps, is one Marcus Ball who objects to what he claims were BJ's words written on the side of a bus. Marcus Ball used to be a great fan of Nick Clegg, so you know already that his judgement of hypocrites has been questionable in the past. His case has been described by various members of the legal fraternity as an ill conceived publicity stunt. He describes himself as a social enterprise founder and pays himself a salary of around £24k a year from the crowd funder funded funds. He has moved to London from Norwich in order to more easily continue his campaign.
In the crazy country that is Britain, so redolent these days of one of the more asinine of Gulliver's destinations, it would be quite in keeping with recently demonstrated standards of democracy and common sense were Boris Johnson to be so sacrificed just before IT Chapter 2 hits the big screen.



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Old 17th May 2019, 14:33
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
It's a private crowd funded prosecution,
Indeed it is, but it has already been through many stages of the legal process in which BoJo's lawyers tried to claim what your claim - that in being a brexiter he should be allowed to spout lies with every breath because the public should surely knopw that all brexiters are lying lowlife scum without the faintest shred of integrity. But to date the judges have rejected those arguments and held that, as a person who was in public office at the time, BoJo was required to comply with the relevant law of the land relating to that office. And if he didn't he is subject to prosecution under that law and faces (on conviction) the proscribed penalty according to the law.

If he feels himself above the law and as such has a conetmpt for the law then clearly he is not a fit and proper person to hold public office anyway. You are free to feel otherwise, but that;s not what the law says. Of course you probably feel yourself to be above the law as well - I'm guessinging that's why you chose a handle like "cheater"...

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Old 17th May 2019, 14:44
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Oh for goodness sake PDR keep to the point and not petty insults.
It really is tiring for us lurkers to read an interesting debate that is then spoilt by name calling and rudeness.

I really enjoy reading both sides of the argument and am regularly educated in areas that I was not aware of.
So keep it clean and not personal after all it is only your view and the reader should be left to make up their own mind.
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Old 17th May 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Of course BoJo is currently facing a probable prosecution for Misconduct in Public Office, which would rule him out of the running (and indeed out of Parliament) if it goes ahead - the decision on this is due next week.

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It won't.

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Old 17th May 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
- I'm guessinging that's why you chose a handle like "cheater"...

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What Spunk Monkey said, and he didn't say Cheater.
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Old 17th May 2019, 15:18
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' BoJo's lawyers tried to claim what your claim - that in being a brexiter he should be allowed to spout lies with every breath because the public should surely knopw that all brexiters are lying lowlife scum without the faintest shred of integrity'

My irony compass is a bit off so I don't know what to make of this. No reasonable person could say this and expect to be taken seriously. Mind you, the wife is a brexiteer so on second thoughts the cap could fit. Hmm, a lie with every breath/ lowlife scum....I reckon Hitler could have got a more flattering review. Such are the times and the quality of judgements.
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Old 17th May 2019, 15:19
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I suppose that there are some out there who profess to be outraged at their inability to read or interpret what is written large as a brand new hospital on the side of a double decker bus. It's rather like the man who was run over at a Pelican Crossing because he staggered off the pavement in a cocaine fuelled lurch complaining that there were no real Pelicans at the crossing to stop him. People really do have to educate themselves don't they. I mean, it's quite obvious that the Labour education experiments started under Blair have been a terrible failure. Much as I like Angel Rainer, goodness only knows how people will interpret English on buses after a few years of her concept of teaching.
You guys have just sacked Nick Cooke-Priest from his position as Commodore of the Ark Royal. He was a popular and talented officer and his offence seems to have been that he drove the carrier's Ford Galaxy around at weekends as though it were his own. That's not cricket of course but to fire the man? Well, let's hope there was a secret agenda. Perhaps he'd referred to a trans gender midshipman as a he? When you have limited resources, you should be careful as to how you dispose of them lest you have to foot it yourself. Britain has few resources in either the military or the political at the moment. Be careful lest you squander the few you have over a peccadillo or a jobsworth such as you find at security at a ghastly little regional airport whose last two letters go rather well with sultry harlots.

Now, everyone knows that cheetahs are noble beasts, very respectful of the law, remember the story of the cheetah as a barrister in the Jungle Books?
But there's a clue as to where this all ends in the name itself and let me spell it for you. The scientific Latin name for a cheetah Acinonyix jubatus and if you say it very slowly while balancing a pint of Guinness on your head, a whole new philosophy of life might come to mind, as I would hope might a smile.
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Old 17th May 2019, 23:00
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If his wife is named Natasha, then he should be a shoe-in.

I will now remove myself from a thread that belongs in the UK Politics Hamsterwheel ... my work is done here.
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Old 17th May 2019, 23:37
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Whilst the prospect of a buffoon in charge of the country might not appeal, if it means that the 'people' are granted their wish to leave the EU it might not be too great a price to pay.
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Old 18th May 2019, 00:37
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Finally, proof that there really is no greater gift than to be born British. God has given the country on the northern border of the Evil Empire another chance. Make haste ye quivering masses and sharpen your quills to X the spot where the Forlorn Hope's name may be found . Boris is the last chance of a great green and pleasant land. Now then, if only Rees Mogg were to be ruminated as the unofficial vice prime minister and that dreadful fellow Hammond replaced with someone who likes to kick train sets over and whose nickname is Bulls Eye!
This is why I stay here, why I, despite everything the British more specifically the English haven't actually gone actually insane.
Brexit has painted the Brits has gone a bit weird.

That's not true. But you really guys need to get your act together.
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