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Old 15th Apr 2019, 18:19
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Climate protests in London

Many people have travelled to London to protest about climate change, targeting energy companies particularly.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...on-standstill/

I wonder what mode of transport they used to get there? Did they all walk there from their homes? Maybe cycle there?

Some travelled from far afield just to protest. If they used any powered transport for their journeys, it would be somewhat hypocritical, given that even public transport consumes energy to transport people about until the art of perpetual motion or running on thin air has been perfected.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 18:25
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I think their main mode of transport involved burning straw men.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 18:35
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Environmentalist one: "Let's have a demonstration to show our disgust at man made climate change"

Environmentalist two: "what shall we do?"

"How about causing massive disruption on the roads so that traffic gets backed up all around the centre of London, thus producing far more emissions than they would have done had we not been there and we can also smash up a few buildings and daub graffiti over them so that more energy and resources are needed to repair the damage"

"Brilliant idea. When shall we start?
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 23:59
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First World protest is always delightfully hypocritical.
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I shall drive my V8 Mustang to work tomorrow in their hono(u)r. Extra heavy with the right foot....
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 06:43
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Someone needs to come down on these idiots, swiftly. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking, the media are inciting them also.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 07:21
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Someone needs to come down on these idiots, swiftly. Their hypocrisy is breathtaking, the media are inciting them also.
There is nothing idiotic about promoting protection of the environment, and trying to stop climate change. The latter probably won't impact on the old [email protected] that populate this site - me included, but they may effect our children, and will almost certainly effect our grand children.

HOWEVER the entire cause is damaged by the cretins that feel that it's OK to further their cause by vandalising the headquarters of Shell, and possibly other commercial property. The environmental movement needs to weed these anarchists out of their ranks, in the same way as the Gillet Jeune (apologies if that is misspelt) need to weed out the extremists from their organisation.

Compare and contrast with the recent pro-remain demo in London. Far more people, yet so far as I can recall no branches of Wetherspoons damaged, and the London office of JCB untouched, despite they're being vocal supports of the opposite opinion.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 07:24
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I shall drive my V8 Mustang to work tomorrow in their hono(u)r. Extra heavy with the right foot....
I hope that your offspring, and their's suffer at the hands of climate change as a result of the irresponsibility of you and your ilk. I'm sure that the day one of Donald Trump's golf courses is inundated by water as a result of rising sea levels he'll be changing his tune and demanding the world does as he says!
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Bitching without a solution is just bitching. And These morons have no solutions to offer - just a demand that we stop all emissions quick-smart. My I offer a plastic bag and elastic band to aid their cause?
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So, using dozens of butane-powered cans of oil-derived paint, to scrawl grafiti on roads (that will require a lot more energy and solvents to remove), and towing a large pink plastic boat, draped with plastic sheeting, into the centre of Oxford Circus does what, exactly, to help combat climate change?
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 08:26
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If you want to make a difference instead of whinging and vandalising buildings how about getting some scientific or engineering qualifications and actually join the others trying to solve these problems. Then protest that you need more scientists and engineers to be trained to help.
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
If you want to make a difference instead of whinging and vandalising buildings how about getting some scientific or engineering qualifications and actually join the others trying to solve these problems. Then protest that you need more scientists and engineers to be trained to help.
That would seem a more productive way in which to act rather than marching and vandalising. The problem is that much as individuals might want to do just that, they often feel frustrated by politicians, not just everyone's bogie man Trump, but also Germany, where they continue to produce electricity from brown coal, from Poland where for political reasons coal is still the main method of producing electricity, Australia, where the politicians appear to believe they live in some sort of climate bubble, despite the extreme weather events suffer now, almost annually. The UK isn't exactly whiter than white, actively discouraging small scale solar generation, preventing the development of wind farms on shore and dragging it's feet over tidal, all while pretending to be "green" by converting power generation from one fossil fuel to another - coal to gas.

However frustrating that may be vandalising and violence isn't going to change any politician's mind.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 08:43
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Greattach advice Grayfly.

And, children, how about more of you walking to school rather than going in mumsie's car, use your smart phone less because recharging it uses electrickery often generated by fossil fuel AND for Christ's sake turn the lights off when you leave a room and don't turn the bloody things on unless you need to.*

*all applies to adults also. Used to infuriate me to arrive first in the office and find all the lights had been left on all night. A company that promoted sustainability....
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Greattach advice Grayfly.

And, children, how about more of you walking to school rather than going in mumsie's car, use your smart phone less because recharging it uses electrickery often generated by fossil fuel AND for Christ's sake turn the lights off when you leave a room and don't turn the bloody things on unless you need to.*

*all applies to adults also. Used to infuriate me to arrive first in the office and find all the lights had been left on all night. A company that promoted sustainability....
Quite agree, my school placed great store by their Eco Committee but I never managed to wean the pupils off charging out of the door at break time in the winter, leaving it wide open with the heating pumping out into an empty classroom and straight into a frosty playground.
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Re political will and lack of etc. I've always thought that engineers should just run everything, end of, as they say. The world would at least be working and constantly being optimised to make it run even better.

Engineers and scientists don't enter the political world because ....answers on a postcard please.
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Used to infuriate me to arrive first in the office and find all the lights had been left on all night. A company that promoted sustainability....
The last couple of offices I worked in before I retired had occupancy sensors to control the lights. Worked OK, but they weren't very good at sensing someone sitting at a desk, so we all adopted the habit of stopping work and waving our arms around for a few seconds, just to retrigger the sensors and keep the lights on. I find myself doing it here at home sometimes, even though I don't have sensors in my office at home. My wife thinks I'm losing it...

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I use as few lights at home as possible, keep the heating low or off as much as possible by not sitting around in winter in a state of semi nudity and you know what? My estimated fuel bills are always way higher than the actual. Saves me money, happy bunny.
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We had those in my last office VP959, one of our directors used in his corrner with the blinds drawn. The lights would eventually go out and one of us would eventually nip round to check he was still alive.
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ATNotts, tidal only works in very specific circumstances. There has been a Severn Barrage proposed since 1849, and fortunately it has never been built for a variety of reasons. It has finally been appreciated that the direct environmental damage that would be caused by building the barrage to produce power once a day (tidal units generally only work in one direction so that the turbines are optimised for maximum generation) is horrendous. The less-than-successful Cardiff Bay Barrage should never have gone ahead and the Swansea Bay Lagoon seems to have stalled.

Onshore windfarms are far less productive than offshore windfarms and are also hideous which is why they are being discouraged in favour of offshore.

To quote Nigel Molesworth, "as any fule kno" cheaper is rarely better as proposed here. Offshore wind, although more expensive to install and maintain is more consistent which makes it far more useable and has also been "price comparable" to conventional generation since 2017.
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