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Old 18th Apr 2019, 23:22
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Hopefully the Heathrow closure won’t interfer with Robin Boardman-Pattinson’s skiing holidays?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...cher-yoga/amp/

“Mr Boardman-Pattinson rallies against climate change, he has taken at least three skiing holidays in recent years, and has posed for photographs in front of the leaning tower of Pisa. He was unavailable for comment.“


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Old 18th Apr 2019, 23:54
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Hopefully the Heathrow closure won’t interfer with Robin Boardman-Pattinson’s skiing holidays?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...cher-yoga/amp/

“Mr Boardman-Pattinson rallies against climate change, he has taken at least three skiing holidays in recent years, and has posed for photographs in front of the leaning tower of Pisa. He was unavailable for comment.“


​​​​​​Perhaps he was leaned on
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 00:48
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In summary, you should feel ashamed of youself for your small minded thinking.
Open youreyes and open your mind. Climate change is reality and climate change is happening and it will affect you.
Buster, I'll believe climate change is a clear and present danger when the people telling me it is start acting like it's a clear and present danger. You know, those that fly in private jets to their climate conferences, live in 1,000 sq. meter homes that use more energy in a month than my house does in a year, and ride around in chauffeur driven cars while telling me to cut my carbon emission.
Telling the 'little people' that they need to change their lifestyle to protect the planet while they continue to live the high carbon life is not just hypocritical - it's destructive to the message.
Yes, we need to cut carbon emissions, we need to do more to protect the planet, but we need honest, realistic methods to do it. Things like the US "Green New Deal" (which would effectively destroy the US economy if enacted) do more harm than good.

Oh, and they've been telling us that we had at best 10 years before the problem became irreversible for about 30 years. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical about their latest claims.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 04:03
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Doesn't the logic go that if you reduce the birth rate you wind up with too many older, non productive people in the population, resulting insufficient money to finance the costs of said aging population? An answer is of course to radically raise the retirement age to, say, 80, so that your average person only has 5 years left to claim pension benefits, but of course in the west that isn't a very popular policy and would lose any party an election were they to promote such a policy.

Third world population growth has to be controlled, and to do that politicians have to ride roughshod over the sensibilities of the Catholic Church, Islam and Judaism to name but three. Who is going to be brave enough to do this. Only dictators come to mind as being up to the task.
Back when the old age pension was started in the UK, the average life expectancy for men was 67, and the pension started at 65. So you did all your working for the good of society, had a couple of years of rest and then popped your clogs. What is the average life expectancy for men in the UK these days? Lets move the pension age to two years less than that, it will make those current pensioners get back to work and be productive
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 05:59
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Back when the old age pension was started in the UK, the average life expectancy for men was 67, and the pension started at 65. So you did all your working for the good of society, had a couple of years of rest and then popped your clogs. What is the average life expectancy for men in the UK these days? Lets move the pension age to two years less than that, it will make those current pensioners get back to work and be productive
Many would willingly do so if only someone would give them a job.

Each trough of the downturn cycle the 55+'ers get the shove.
Better to give the kids fresh out of college a 10 hrs / week job selling burgers and let that count towards employment statistics.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 06:55
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Buster, I'll believe climate change is a clear and present danger when the people telling me it is start acting like it's a clear and present danger. You know, those that fly in private jets to their climate conferences, live in 1,000 sq. meter homes that use more energy in a month than my house does in a year, and ride around in chauffeur driven cars while telling me to cut my carbon emission.
Telling the 'little people' that they need to change their lifestyle to protect the planet while they continue to live the high carbon life is not just hypocritical - it's destructive to the message.
Yes, we need to cut carbon emissions, we need to do more to protect the planet, but we need honest, realistic methods to do it. Things like the US "Green New Deal" (which would effectively destroy the US economy if enacted) do more harm than good.

Oh, and they've been telling us that we had at best 10 years before the problem became irreversible for about 30 years. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical about their latest claims.
Did you watch Climate Change The Facts last night.
If not I would recommend you do on catch up and then repeat what you have written.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 06:58
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Anyway I just watched the Attenborough program, and have to say the evidence of climate change is pretty convincing and even more depressing.

It seems to me one of the most pressing issues is to stop the deforestation’s that are happening, we’ll look back on this as being total madness, it really is utterly appalling.
Well said and completely agree.
I was actually most impressed by that young Swedish girl who simply stood outside the government building with her banner.
Who says individual people cannot do anything.
She sparked a global movement.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 07:52
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The Aral Sea was once the world's fourth largest lake. It has been reduced to a mere soup spoon of its former self by the cotton growing industry. That local industry supplies, almost entirely, the western fashion market blue jean manufacturing industry. One pair of blue jeans used to be enough for a lonesome cowboy. I wonder how the young of today, including those who unwittingly protest at nothing other than their own uselessness, would react to being rationed on blue jean purchase, a restriction that might theoretically reduce cotton imports from the Aral Sea basin and thus allow a regeneration of what was once, within very recent memory, a world class eco system.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 09:16
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I heard on R4 news this morning that they want 'zero CO2 emissions by 2025'. This shows a remarkable lack of scientific knowledge: literally doing that means the extinction of all mammals, birds and reptiles including all humans, since they all breathe out CO2! Perhaps it's like "Brexit means Brexit" - except we have seen it doesn't, so 'zero means zero' except again, it doesn't.

If over-population is not the problem, why has the UK population kept increasing? As others have said, religions that oppose birth control are a problem - and to my mind are irresponsible and anti-social.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 09:33
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As others have said, religions that oppose birth control are a problem - and to my mind are irresponsible and anti-social.
Financially, religious organisations in many parts of the world would suffer badly if the birth rates and adult populations were to decline with any great significance as without these people, where would the churches get their money from? IMO, it would be a bit like McD's advocating vegetarianism.

I think that anyone who has worked in high population third world countries will have seen the pastors/preachers driving around in their shiny new limo's which were paid for by the donations of their flocks, people who have been brainwashed into handing over good proportions of their money to ensure that they get a place in heaven when they die.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 10:24
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Not just religion. Aren't the majority of the world's economies based on growth? How do you grow your economy? More people spending more on things which aren't really needed.

As for the religious side of things, if you think of when the texts were supposedly written, they made sense. Our ancestors needed to keep the birth rate up to counter everything else that was trying to reduce the population. In the 21st century it is an obsolete thought.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 10:30
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I think that anyone who has worked in high population third world countries will have seen the pastors/preachers driving around in their shiny new limo's which were paid for by the donations of their flocks, people who have been brainwashed into handing over good proportions of their money to ensure that they get a place in heaven when they die.
It's the same all over the World, be it a priests, rabbi, mullah or lama.

"Keep me in clover and I promise you eternal life."

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 10:37
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Doesn't the logic go that if you reduce the birth rate you wind up with too many older, non productive people in the population, resulting insufficient money to finance the costs of said aging population? An answer is of course to radically raise the retirement age to, say, 80, so that your average person only has 5 years left to claim pension benefits, but of course in the west that isn't a very popular policy and would lose any party an election were they to promote such a policy.

Third world population growth has to be controlled, and to do that politicians have to ride roughshod over the sensibilities of the Catholic Church, Islam and Judaism to name but three. Who is going to be brave enough to do this. Only dictators come to mind as being up to the task.
So in summary. Kill lots of people and forced slavery until you drop dead through overwork.

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 10:56
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The activities of the eco mob entirely vindicate my attitude towards such matters as rubbish sorting, conservation giving and driving V8 cars.
Why on this wonderful green earth should I alter my pleasures or inconvenience myself by one iota in order to ensure that muppets such as these should have a less fraught future, I do not separate my rubbish, nor shall I, I do not give to conservation, nor would I and I do drive V8 cars. The useless idiots of today should be made to similarly suffer through the hardships that my generation had to contend with and they'll come out the other side better men for it. The women, having ideas way above their stations anyway, count for little more than amateur twerkers anyway.
As for the very young and the unborn but nearly so, those who will inherit the planet after the present youthful useless moronity has veganized itself into a solitary sterile society, they had best be taught how to use guns and other fun weapons of war because their parents' generation will have succumbed to Russian influence and their legacy will need to be both need to be forgotten and redeemed.
They should all be made to live in grass huts and use Bronco.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
The activities of the eco mob entirely vindicate my attitude towards such matters as rubbish sorting, conservation giving and driving V8 cars.
Why on this wonderful green earth should I alter my pleasures or inconvenience myself by one iota in order to ensure that muppets such as these should have a less fraught future, I do not separate my rubbish, nor shall I, I do not give to conservation, nor would I and I do drive V8 cars. The useless idiots of today should be made to similarly suffer through the hardships that my generation had to contend with and they'll come out the other side better men for it. The women, having ideas way above their stations anyway, count for little more than amateur twerkers anyway.
As for the very young and the unborn but nearly so, those who will inherit the planet after the present youthful useless moronity has veganized itself into a solitary sterile society, they had best be taught how to use guns and other fun weapons of war because their parents' generation will have succumbed to Russian influence and their legacy will need to be both need to be forgotten and redeemed.
They should all be made to live in grass huts and use Bronco.
You are absolutely right and everyone else is wrong. Phew. That's a relief.
I congratulate you for being so clever.

Now. Just be careful when you drive that lovely V8 car of yours because if you drive too far you will fall off the end of that flat earth of yours.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 11:34
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That's the beauty of being a dinosaur, one's flat earth has endless potentials and each and every one has on demand gas stations.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 11:44
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people who have been brainwashed into handing over good proportions of their money to ensure that they get a place in heaven when they die.
Which, because the money goes on limousines and the like, tends to happen sooner rather than later because they can't afford food and/or medical support, while being encouraged to have children in insanitary conditions means more deaths anyway.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 12:12
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Belize in the 1970s.

Walking to the main road to get a taxi back to base. I pass a hall of some sort where travelling preacher is holding court. The place is packed with Afro/Belizeans singing and chanting with all that they had. You could walk on the Halleluiahs coming out of the door.

Out at the back the 'ushers' in dark suits were unloading shoeboxes full of money into the trunk of a US registered Lincoln. Belize was, and probably still is, a dirt poor country and these sods were relieving them of all that they had.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 12:29
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I see Emma Thompson flew to LA for her 60th birthday party, then flew back to London to take part in the demonstrations.

Urging the the poor people to give up their air travel, cars and central heating to allow her and her contemporary to continue to enjoy the lifestyle they believe they deserve....
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 13:00
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I just read the report of Emma Thompson's travels. It caused me a moment of "slack jaw!" In the same article was mention of the Swedish schoolgirl (the one who has awarded herself a 4 day school week). She was speaking in Rome. Now that must have been a very long walk from Stockholm to Rome. Also included was a photograph of police in Paris spraying what seemed like vast amounts of pepper spray on demonstrators there.
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