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Old 18th Apr 2019, 09:58
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Originally Posted by Bern Oulli
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!
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Yes, quite a few say that.

But not one of them is ready to volunteer to leave this planet to help save it.
There's absolutely no need for people to voluntarily leave. All that is needed is for the number of people arriving to be lowered to a more sustainable level.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 10:02
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Originally Posted by 419 View Post
There's absolutely no need for people to voluntarily leave. All that is needed is for the number of people arriving to be lowered to a more sustainable level.
You mean you have the right to be here but not the future ones?
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:23
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All sound-bites, no substance and can't answer questions.

First world protest is delightfully hypocritical.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:26
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
"What I'm saying is... " twaddle, twaddle, twaddle.

All sound-bites, no substance and can't answer questions.

First world protest is delightfully hypocritical.
You despicable troll!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:31
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Originally Posted by 419 View Post
There's absolutely no need for people to voluntarily leave. All that is needed is for the number of people arriving to be lowered to a more sustainable level.
Doesn't the logic go that if you reduce the birth rate you wind up with too many older, non productive people in the population, resulting insufficient money to finance the costs of said aging population? An answer is of course to radically raise the retirement age to, say, 80, so that your average person only has 5 years left to claim pension benefits, but of course in the west that isn't a very popular policy and would lose any party an election were they to promote such a policy.

Third world population growth has to be controlled, and to do that politicians have to ride roughshod over the sensibilities of the Catholic Church, Islam and Judaism to name but three. Who is going to be brave enough to do this. Only dictators come to mind as being up to the task.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:58
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Some worrying bits in that interview:
3'23" - "It means rapidly de-carbonising our society". The human body is 18% carbon. Several others have said here, 'there are far too many people on the planet'.
4'33" - "... you sound like a right-wing fascist ...". That is a very, very, very worrying comparison. We know how right-wing fascists have dealt with 'too many people' in the past.

5'32" - it appears that we are all 'alcoholics'. "How to gain support: insult those whose support you feel you need"!

First world protest is delightfully hypocritical.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 12:00
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You despicable troll!
Thanks Stan! !!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 14:29
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Just watched coverage on Sky. As usual with things on TV, I watch detail in the background. Several of the 'protesters' eating off disposable plates (no doubt with plastic content?) using 'single use' plastic forks.

Ahhh, those 'saintly' protesters!

First world protest is delightfully hypocritical.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 15:01
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This bunch of knobheads are now threatening to close Heathrow down tomorrow, Good Friday. What happened to Boris’s water cannon?
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 15:12
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
What happened to Borisís water cannon?
Teresa May banned their use.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 15:17
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Just watched coverage on Sky. As usual with things on TV, I watch detail in the background. Several of the 'protesters' eating off disposable plates (no doubt with plastic content?) using 'single use' plastic forks.

Ahhh, those 'saintly' protesters!

First world protest is delightfully hypocritical.
Is this not just left wing agitators getting a bit of practice in for the forthcoming civil unrest that was being heralded by the deep divide of the B word?
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 17:50
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Not sure that being arrested is much of a deterrent to these people, most of them would wear it as a badge of honour. I can't understand why they should not pay for the loss they cause and if they try to wriggle individually the rule should be 'collective responsibility' as in "You were part of the gang that caused the murder, therefore you are subject to to same penalty."

Maybe a few people having their lives very publicly blighted by the loss of all they own and all their earnings entailed for years and years might make others think about responsibility.

All of us who have homes and assets are responsible for any damage or loss we cause, even by minor negligence. I can't see why these protesters should not be responsible for their actions.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 19:00
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Not sure that being arrested is much of a deterrent to these people, most of them would wear it as a badge of honour. I can't understand why they should not pay for the loss they cause and if they try to wriggle individually the rule should be 'collective responsibility' as in "You were part of the gang that caused the murder, therefore you are subject to to same penalty."

Maybe a few people having their lives very publicly blighted by the loss of all they own and all their earnings entailed for years and years might make others think about responsibility.

All of us who have homes and assets are responsible for any damage or loss we cause, even by minor negligence. I can't see why these protesters should not be responsible for their actions.
Wow. I had to read this a couple of times just to make sure that you were not joking.
But not, so we have to assume that you are serious. So let's examine some of your points.
THESE PEOPLE.
These people are human beings just like you and me. The difference is that they understand what is happening to our planet as a direct result of human intervention and human actions.
You do breathe I take it. Do you ever think where the oxygen that we rely on came from.
You are perfectly happy to breathe in the disgusting pollution we pump into the thin and fragile atmosphere.
RESPONSIBLY.
Is it responsible for humans who pride themselves as being an intelligent species to use our small and finite planet as a rubbish bin.
Is it responsible for humans to use our planet as if we own it and to hell with all the other species that live on it.
Is it responsible for humans to increase their population with no regard to the rest of the species and rape the planet of its natural resources.
is it responsible for our generation who are the first to actually have the science to be able to realise the effect of what we are doing to our planet and yet try to ignore that science and leave our problem to our children and their children and their children's children.

In summary, you should feel ashamed of youself for your small minded thinking.
Open youreyes and open your mind. Climate change is reality and climate change is happening and it will affect you.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 19:16
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
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Open youreyes and open your mind. Climate change is reality and climate change is happening and it will affect you.
Sooo... Please explain to me how causing traffic disruption and the increased 'emissions' that goes with that is helping? Please explain to me how causing people significant economic loss, a loss that will have to be recouped somehow anyway, helps?

Like the 'Occupy' trendy rent-a-crowd, this lot will be forgotten by mainstream society in a few years. But they won't be forgotten by those whose livelihoods they are blighting. And those memories won't be warm and supportive memories.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 19:18
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
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You do breathe I take it. Do you ever think where the oxygen that we rely on came from.
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Where does the oxygen that we rely on come from? I'd be interested to hear your answer.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
This bunch of knobheads are now threatening to close Heathrow down tomorrow, Good Friday. What happened to Borisís water cannon?
I believe the water cannon languished in storage for quite some time, then were sold.

I'm of the opinion that the protesters are damaging their message with the scale and persistency of their actions. Perhaps I fail to fully appreciate the urgency of the issue.

But...I do take firm issue with their plans WRT Heathrow. I'm SLF, but AFAIK Heathrow, as with any airport, is a potential emergency landing option. A combination of a closed Heathrow and Sod's Law would not be pleasant.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 19:35
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Where does the oxygen that we rely on come from? I'd be interested to hear your answer.
As you will see, I asked the question first and no trying to Google search for the answer.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 20:05
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Having Googled (and read), the emergence of animal forms that rely on oxygen for survival seems even more improbable than a simple evolution theory suggests.

I might start believing in Creationism.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 20:19
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Well she would, wouldn't she,? no glory in it for her

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 21:27
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Anyway I just watched the Attenborough program, and have to say the evidence of climate change is pretty convincing and even more depressing.

It seems to me one of the most pressing issues is to stop the deforestationís that are happening, weíll look back on this as being total madness, it really is utterly appalling.
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