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Old 16th Apr 2019, 19:33
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I shall drive my V8 Mustang to work tomorrow in their hono(u)r. Extra heavy with the right foot....
How incredibly clever of you.....
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 23:58
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Having just returned from the serious and pollution-causing congestion resulting from today's rentacrowd activities around Park Lane, I did wonder, as I inhaled all the noxious substances they apparently were protesting about while adding to the problem, whether the Metropolitan Police actually have any water cannon, and in what circumstances they'd use tear gas... I sympathise with the protesters' aims, but definitely not with their means.

Absolutely agree, by the way, with Bern Ouilli, about peoples' apparent need to breed as one of the causes of the problem. Maybe the world has a need for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (as long as they by-pass me, of course).
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 09:22
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Having just returned from the serious and pollution-causing congestion resulting from today's rentacrowd activities around Park Lane, I did wonder, as I inhaled all the noxious substances they apparently were protesting about while adding to the problem, whether the Metropolitan Police actually have any water cannon, and in what circumstances they'd use tear gas... I sympathise with the protesters' aims, but definitely not with their means.
London did have water cannon, but our namby-pamby attitude towards policing (the Dixon of Dock Green mindset) meant that they were flogged off without a jet of water being fired in anger. The whole problem could have been more easily removed had we got the CRS on hand to sort it out.

Excellent though that the police have arrested more than 300 demonstrators - if they can weed out the chaff, then the serious message the genuine protesters are trying to get over might gain more traction.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 09:23
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I am assuming you’re a non flyer then?
I fly when I have to, though not professionally. Not for any environmental reason, but because for short distances, within Europe, it's just too much hassle.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 09:42
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Ran into a bunch of kids having a day out doing climate protesting. They were stood outside a Joe & The Juice, eating junkfood and drinking overpriced juices from disposable plastic cups. When I pointed out the hypocrisy in them protesting climate change whilst actively contributing to it, they got rather silent. One did pipe up 'but we're hungry, what are we supposed to do', to which I responded 'how about making a sandwich at home´. That was met with rolling eyes and disbelief; having to actually do something themselves, instead of having others doing it for them, was apparently an alien concept.

It all starts at home, with yourself. Ride a bicycle to school, don't use a plastic straw when you're sipping your fizzy, don't eat plastic wrapped junkfood, stop constantly changing your wardrobe, use your smartphones less. You know, all those little things which might help. But that will require an effort and personal sacrifice, much better to mount a pedestal and scream at the grownups.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 11:37
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Unfortunately we are running out of time for governments to deal with environmental issues.
Even if you don't believe in global warming you'd have to be blind not to see how mankind is depleting natural resources and squeezing other species out of existance.
We all should be prepared to make some very difficult choices about how we live if we have any chance of preserving the earths ecologicsl systems.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 12:39
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In my day......I am that old........ discarded tin plated steel cans rusted away and paper bags rotted down. Most glass was reused, either as returned milk bottles or lemonade bottles for a few pennies refund per bottle.

Now we have plastic which does not rot for 100’s of years, and aluminium cans, which last 1,000’s of years, so any dropped litter remains there virtually for ever. I think it is high time that fully degradable or 100% reusable materials were mandated for all packaging. (A geological guy has defined a ‘plastic layer’, so that any archaeological dig in the future can be dated according to when plastics were developed. True.)

We also seem to have spawned a generation who drop litter. Who taught these folk to drop litter? I once watched open mouthed in a traffic jam as people in the car in front suddenly chucked bottles, bags, food wrappers out of the window. The car park at a local supermarket has empty cans and fast food cartons on the ground next to where each car was parked - THESE IDIOTS CANNOT EVEN BE BOTHERED TO WALK TO THE BIN, 20m away !!!!!! Who gave birth to these people?? The verges near some road junctions where there is standing traffic, are sometimes ankle deep in litter thrown from cars. Who told these people it was acceptable to drop litter?

Why do people want to make the place they live in or drive through become a shit hole owing to litter they drop? Never have understood this.






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Old 17th Apr 2019, 12:58
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
London did have water cannon, but our namby-pamby attitude towards policing (the Dixon of Dock Green mindset) meant that they were flogged off without a jet of water being fired in anger. The whole problem could have been more easily removed had we got the CRS on hand to sort it out.

Excellent though that the police have arrested more than 300 demonstrators - if they can weed out the chaff, then the serious message the genuine protesters are trying to get over might gain more traction.
Correct, London did have water cannon.....remind us again which modest, restrained, paragon of the truth politician ordered them in the first place ?

The "Dixon of Dock Green " mindset lives on in perpetuity here on JB, and in the minds of the Wisteria Avenue dwellers, but my BiL would less than politely dispute this...possibly because he was riot trained when working near Central London and had the odd day out, or two, put this training into place.

"Sorting the wheat from the chaff "..nothing like a sweeping generalisation for JB purposes....true, there are no doubt a few "rent a mob protesters " who appear with regular monotony irrespective of the reason, but, when an international lawyer gets involved, and scenes showing those being arrested last night being as far from the chaff as possible, then maybe it's not wise to class the protestors with such a condemnatory aloofness.

They also have a very valid point......humanity has been happily damaging the environment in whatever form you can think of for many, many years.....unfortunately, humanity is too arrogant to understand we are actually, slowly but surely, destroying the same environments that allow us, and every other form of life to exist in the first place.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:46
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Ran into a bunch of kids having a day out doing climate protesting. They were stood outside a Joe & The Juice, eating junkfood and drinking overpriced juices from disposable plastic cups. When I pointed out the hypocrisy in them protesting climate change whilst actively contributing to it, they got rather silent. One did pipe up 'but we're hungry, what are we supposed to do', to which I responded 'how about making a sandwich at home´. That was met with rolling eyes and disbelief; having to actually do something themselves, instead of having others doing it for them, was apparently an alien concept.

It all starts at home, with yourself. Ride a bicycle to school, don't use a plastic straw when you're sipping your fizzy, don't eat plastic wrapped junkfood, stop constantly changing your wardrobe, use your smartphones less. You know, all those little things which might help. But that will require an effort and personal sacrifice, much better to mount a pedestal and scream at the grownups.
This is the kind of thing that ramps my blood pressure up. The absolute hypocrisy of the muppets!
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:55
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Did anyone see the lunchtime news, the 2 plod trying to remove 2 protesters from the top of a train. Deary me, one couldn't even put on glove, then they produced a syringe presumably to dissolve whatever they'd stuck themselves to the train with!
Should have just yanked them off. I do hope the pair will be procecuted.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 14:17
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 17:50
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Whist we should all be concerned about climate change, if not for ourselves then certainly for our children and grandchildren, I am not happy to see protesters taking over the Queens highway with what appears to be complete impunity, and the police apparently powerless to remove them, other than a few at a time.

I wonder how much damage the resulting traffic congestion in the surrounding streets causing? It all seems a bit hypocritical.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 17:55
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Still awaiting reports of street closures in Moscow and Beijing
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 18:55
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Still awaiting reports of street closures in Moscow and Beijing
It would never work in Beijing. They would all get mown down by the traffic.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 00:35
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo View Post
Did anyone see the lunchtime news, the 2 plod trying to remove 2 protesters from the top of a train. Deary me, one couldn't even put on glove, then they produced a syringe presumably to dissolve whatever they'd stuck themselves to the train with!
Should have just yanked them off. I do hope the pair will be procecuted.
Don't know why they didn't just tow that carriage to a dead-end and leave them there.

The glue would have degraded eventually.
Or they may have elected, themselves, to sacrifice a little skin.

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 01:31
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I feel sorry for so many of the people using fuel. (foo-ell in Norfolk) I mean, their lives must be weighted down with gloom, and perhaps, self hatred . . . every one of those pour souls wants to be somewhere else. A good line for Spike Milligan perhaps. Millions and millions of people every day want to be somewhere else. Don't get it. I spent a third a century making the place I was in, a place where I wanted to be. If I went on holiday, I just wanted to be at home. Not once at home have I had to share a table with a person with tattooed fat bits flopping about.

But you're a pilot!? Well, yes. I erm . . . Oh, I know, it's a calling - something I have to be. I'm excused.

Some years ago on PPRuNe I had a serious moment. I described just how unstable global warming is. There's a LOT of factors all wanting to pull the overheating switch on.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 09:46
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I nearly said it yesterday knowing that they had met the Environment Minister last week, that the only way this would be allowed to happen without robust action being taken to stop it, is if they were in cahoots with the government.

Well it would appear that they are, their deputy leader has just said on Sky News that were asked to do this by advisors to Mrs May, so the government could then use this to introduce more measures to combat climate change without upsetting the people!

Limits on how far you can fly each year?

I'm all for doing something about CO2 emissions but the UK cannot save the world on its own. The protesters have not glued themselves to the Chinese or Indian embassies or as far as I am aware the US embassy, all countries that will have to come to the party and dance if we are going to save the planet.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
......humanity has been happily damaging the environment in whatever form you can think of for many, many years.....unfortunately, humanity is too arrogant to understand we are actually, slowly but surely, destroying the same environments that allow us, and every other form of life to exist in the first place.
True to a point. In New York before cars, horses caused massive pollution and terrible living conditions from their dung - it used to be piled up feet high on the sides of the roads, and when it rained, seeped into the basements. It also attracted millions of flies. The internal combustion engine allowed New York to become a much much cleaner place. We now know engines are not clean enough, but what is my alternative to driving a car to work at 0400, (no public transport), and heating my house? (I have downsized to a small car with a small engine and have solar cells on the house roof and am installing extra loft insulation). Even the coaches from the staff carpark to the terminal (about a mile and a half) are diesel powered. Why not electric or flywheel - recharged at each stop?

It annoys me that when the climate scientists finally got through to the politicians, suddenly energy saving things such as LED bulbs became available* (but why so bloody expensive??), and wind farms sprang up everywhere. We could have had wind farms years’ ago.

*To be fair, blue LEDs were only developed in the ?80’s, so until then we couldn’t have white LED bulbs. But more resources could have been poured into it earlier instead of waiting for an individual to find the solution.




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Old 18th Apr 2019, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Bern Oulli View Post
All the scientists, doomsayers, protesters, climate change believers, ditto deniers, are either not seeing the root cause of the problem. Too much plastic/CO2/pollution or whatever will not be cured, reduced or eliminated until the root cause is recognised. One or two people have mentioned it in passing so I'll say it in big black capital letters.
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!
There, I said it.
Sooner or later, and preferably sooner, the world has to realise that having children left, right, and all over the place will have to become unacceptable. Science unfortunately expends a lot of time and money finding new ways of allowing people to conceive whom nature has decreed cannot. Some religions perpetuate the idea that the more children the merrier and that contraception is evil. I could go on.
Where does one start? Mathematically, if every female of reproductive age was to have only two pregnancies in her lifetime, the world population would slowly reduce over time to a sensible level in a manageable way. Therefore the level of consuming all those things causing the climatic problem would also reduce. Unfortunately, the rate of population growth continues to go the wrong way and I have no clue as to how it can be reversed. My only consolation is that I will not see the undoubted chaos that my children (two before you ask) and grandchildren (ditto) will see.
I totally agree
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Bern Oulli View Post
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!
And until this is sorted out, the problems will only get worse.

Take Ethiopia as a very good example.
We had the Live aid concerts in 1985 to raise funds for the famine in Ethiopia, a country which at the time had a population of approximately 40,000,000 people.
34 years on and although the average fertility rate is dropping each year, the population is now in excess of 110,000,000.

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