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Old 26th Jun 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
Concentrate on mankind behavior, yes. But not by doing it in a way that assumes profitable material behaviour (eg wind farns) will alter climate change. Such 'Green' policies arise from 'hippy' protestations with 1970's roots. Their tents even look alike!
In other words, it matters not a jot whether we use renewable or non-renewable energy sources ?

That will make life much simpler all round.

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 21:45
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 12:15
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Originally Posted by jindabyne View Post
Your words, not mine
OK, if I've misunderstood the basis of your objection to wind farms, perhaps you could explain it ?
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 14:48
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"Wind turbines" are utterly, utterly useless for electricity planning purposes. When a high demand is expected at a known date and time a long way ahead, the possibility of a large high pressure area neutralising those blots on the landscape makes them unreliable to meet that demand. (The wind in the north east of Scotland this morning was VRB/1.) The money wasted on them should have been put into reliable sources of electricity and the the beautiful countryside could have avoided that wanton vandalism.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 07:46
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Using the wind in Britain for any future planning is stupid.

Having to rely on the wind to provide electricity at say 3pm next Thursday would be as stupid as planning a flight with load of 54321 off XYZ runway at 3pm next Thursday but to carry that load a headwind of 18 kts is required for the take-off performance.

The wind in Britain is far, far to variable be reliable for any planning. Therefore 'wind turbines' are stupid. And a dreadful form of institutionalised vandalism to our beautiful countryside.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 08:48
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Complaining that you can't rely 100% on wind energy is a straw man argument - nobody is suggesting that.

Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
And a dreadful form of institutionalised vandalism to our beautiful countryside.
Or to put it another way, a visible public reminder that we can't rely on fossil fuels for ever ...

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 09:09
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Like everything else in the UK, how to utilise technology is becoming polarised. I despair when I read so-called activist groups declaring they are anti ( fill in the technology ) and all it shows is that they are anti-science and probably anti-capitalist.

If any group is really claiming to be expert they would know that we need a mix of all the technologies, including the new nuclear ones, to keep the lights on. Smart grid and energy storage solutions need to be speeded up to ensure when the sun doesn't shine and there's no wind we still have the capacity.

Protesters cherry picking their dislikes or how technology is funded and lobbying to a populist political system may cause more harm in the long run.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 11:48
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DaveReidUK with possible reserves of 1 billion tonnes of coal, 18 billion barrels of oil and 6.8 trillion m3 of gas we could continue using fossil fuels for the foreseeable future if it was politically acceptable.

Gridwatch is currently (12:44) showing that Solar is providing an amazing 24.8% of UK demand followed by Wind at 13%. These figures are excellent and have reduced the input by CCGT (Closed Cycle Gas Turbine) Units to 36.1%. Nuclear is chipping in 13.3% and Biomass 4.6%. We are also getting 6.2% from France and the Netherlands (3.9% & 2.3% respectively). The remaining 2% is provided by Hydro, OCT (Open Cycle Turbine) Units and a mysterious source called "Other"!
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 14:24
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There are reports floating around Twittersphere that Extinction Rebellion are planning their next protest at Wimbledon.
How much disruption they would be willing to inflict I have no idea.


I will stress that there is no evidence for this just the normal rumour network. They have had second thoughts about blocking Heathrow during school holidays.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Using the wind in Britain for any future planning is stupid.

Having to rely on the wind to provide electricity at say 3pm next Thursday would be as stupid as planning a flight with load of 54321 off XYZ runway at 3pm next Thursday but to carry that load a headwind of 18 kts is required for the take-off performance.

The wind in Britain is far, far to variable be reliable for any planning. Therefore 'wind turbines' are stupid. And a dreadful form of institutionalised vandalism to our beautiful countryside.
I think they are things of beauty and symbols of determination to think big, bold and long term. The more you have, more distributed, the more you even-out wind variation. Combined with other renewable power sources an incredibly robust, distributed generation network is coming.

In a certain coastal village I know, some wonderful NIMBY wrote to the paper complaining that, with the wind in exactly the right direction, she could hear the newly built offshore windfarm. She said that this was disastrous as it drowned-out the evocative tapping of halyards on masts in the local harbour! Apart from the fact that, to any sailor, a tapping halyard is an abomination, the idea that some man-made sounds are good while others a few years younger are bad is a little strange.

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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Complaining that you can't rely 100% on wind energy is a straw man argument - nobody is suggesting that.
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No suggestion of "100%", but what is going to keep the lights and the cooking on when they can only be relied on for 1%? They are unreliable. When the wind doesn't blow they don't turn.

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
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Or to put it another way, a visible public reminder that we can't rely on fossil fuels for ever ...
Or put it another way, thousands of stationary 'wind turbines' when there is no wind is "a visible public reminder" of how useless that sort of industrialised vandalism is.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 17:15
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Why is it that people who believe in science can't add up watts?
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 18:38
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Originally Posted by FakePilot View Post
Why is it that people who believe in science can't add up watts?
Maybe because to a scientist they are Watts, not watts.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 10:31
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They are protesting in the wrong country

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-48931062
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 14:45
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
They are protesting in the wrong country

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-48931062
The Greens in Germany have lobbied hard against nuclear power and output is now half what it was.
Hence the continuing reliance on dirty soft coal.

They should be more careful what they wish for.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
They should be more careful what they wish for.
Thinking through the possible consequences of their demands is not something that the Greens are particularly good at.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:45
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XR have been protesting in my first neck of the woods every week, pretty much and yesterday they held up a paramedic ambulance.

cheers

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...pital-16741207
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 22:14
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If it rains much more I'll be protesting too.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
XR have been protesting in my first neck of the woods every week, pretty much and yesterday they held up a paramedic ambulance.

cheers

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...pital-16741207
Why weren't they all at work on a Tuesday morning?
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 11:42
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Because they think they have got better things to do: just malicious troublemakers to a large extent bent on attack.
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