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Old 8th May 2019, 14:30
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Chalk based spray paint. Not only no fossil fuel organics, but also no volatile gases - and vegan as well.

Misguided they may be, stupid they’re not
Still uses butane/propane propellant, though, which, funnily enough, is produced from fossil fuel.
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Old 20th May 2019, 19:23
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I saw a report in to-day's Evening Standard that the latest wheeze has been to set up shop in sealed shipping containers (or the like) outside the headquarters of B.P. with E.R. people living inside to make a protest. Needless to say the police merely looked on whilst all of this happened. Wouldn't it be a jolly jape to have a shift system of people belabouring the sides of these metal containers with large hammers.
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Old 20th May 2019, 22:23
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Wouldn't it be a jolly jape to have a shift system of people belabouring the sides of these metal containers with large hammers.
The biggest problem with that is that the occupants would complain to the police, the police would act on those complaints and people doing the banging would probably get arrested for either creating a disturbance or carrying offensive weapons in public.
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Old 20th May 2019, 23:06
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I saw a report in to-day's Evening Standard that the latest wheeze has been to set up shop in sealed shipping containers (or the like) outside the headquarters of B.P. with E.R. people living inside to make a protest. Needless to say the police merely looked on whilst all of this happened. Wouldn't it be a jolly jape to have a shift system of people belabouring the sides of these metal containers with large hammers.
I can think of about a dozen vulnerabilities that container life exposes.
Vulnerabilities that include things like cranes, captive head bolts, welders, sirens, mechanical vibrators, etc....
No end really.
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Old 21st May 2019, 10:49
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Originally Posted by RedhillPhil View Post
I saw a report in to-day's Evening Standard that the latest wheeze has been to set up shop in sealed shipping containers (or the like) outside the headquarters of B.P. with E.R. people living inside to make a protest. Needless to say the police merely looked on whilst all of this happened. Wouldn't it be a jolly jape to have a shift system of people belabouring the sides of these metal containers with large hammers.
Or a system whereby the container could be loaded onto a lorry, taken to a port and then shipped to China where their protests might have some purpose
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Old 21st May 2019, 11:26
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If the containers really are sealed they aren’t going to survive in them for long - or cause much of a nuisance, apart from any obstruction the container itself causes.
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Old 31st May 2019, 10:08
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48470623

This is stupid and dangerous and I hope that if it goes ahead that arrests and convictions will be very, very 'heavy handed'. I hope that the same levels of pre-emptive effort are going into avoid such stupidly dangerous 'protests' as would go into preventing any terrorist activity.

But, as in keeping with the levels of hypocrisy with this sort of 'protester', they will be happily going off to shops and buying goods that were flown in through Heathrow.

First World protest is delightfully hypocritical.
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Old 31st May 2019, 10:11
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I guess that Emma Thompson would have to look carefully into her travel arrangements if she wanted to join the 'protests' this time as she would not be able to plan to fly into Heathrow!
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Old 31st May 2019, 10:39
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-48470623

This is stupid and dangerous and I hope that if it goes ahead that arrests and convictions will be very, very 'heavy handed'. I hope that the same levels of pre-emptive effort are going into avoid such stupidly dangerous 'protests' as would go into preventing any terrorist activity.

But, as in keeping with the levels of hypocrisy with this sort of 'protester', they will be happily going off to shops and buying goods that were flown in through Heathrow.

First World protest is delightfully hypocritical.
People need to go to jail if this disruption happens - enough is enough
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 05:40
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46384067

Still today's big conspiracy as many of you claim? We're ******.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 13:01
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From that article: "The extent of Arctic sea ice has dropped in recent years. It reached its lowest point on record in 2012."

When sea ice melts, the sea levels go lower. (The reason why ice floats is that it is less dense than water, melt it and it becomes more dense and takes less space and levels go down. Try it in a glass with ice and water and leave the ice to melt.)
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 13:21
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There is a big glacier in Greenland (forgot the name just now) and for some years it was losing ice at 20m depth per annum. Now scientists are scratching their heads as it seems it has started regaining 20m depth per annum for the last couple of years.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:04
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A warmer climate means more precipitation. Generally precipitation onto glaciers is snow. It does not run off, it gathers in depth. So what melts away and breaks off at the 'snout' (highly visible to journalists -- but does so every summer anyway, regardless of climate) is made up for with the increased ice that falls onto it as snow higher up (but not so highly visible to journalists). Genuine scientists won't be scratching their heads, but the self-proclaimed 'climate' ones will.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:35
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When sea ice melts, the sea levels go lower. (The reason why ice floats is that it is less dense than water, melt it and it becomes more dense and takes less space and levels go down. Try it in a glass with ice and water and leave the ice to melt.)
I'll challenge you on that one. I think when floating ice melts the water levels do not change. The volume of the ice does reduce as it turns to water , but that is exactly compensated for by the ice originally above the waterline melting into the water.

Land based ice melting will obviously increase water levels.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 15:48
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So given this graphic in the Beeb report,

why the hell are they protesting in London (the UK doesn't even make it onto the chart), and not Beijing, Washington DC, New Delhi, Moscow, Tokyo , Brazilia, or even Teheran for heaven's sake?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 17:20
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why the hell are they protesting in London (the UK doesn't even make it onto the chart), and not Beijing, Washington DC, New Delhi, Moscow, Tokyo , Brazilia, or even Teheran for heaven's sake?
Because they will get invited on to programmes like Politics Live (today) and also get invited by the Labour Party to help shape the future legislation required to achieve their goals.

That probably wouldn't happen in China, Russia etc. Our leaders fell over themselves to meet up with them, I can't see Trump rushing to meet them.

There's political capital to be made from a climate emergency and we have helped to increase that for them.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 17:29
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Now these protesters are going to Heathrow to protest, are they going to be allowed onto the airport and cause mayhem etc. These lot should be at work and not causing trouble at Heathrow Airport, why don't they go and protest at the Chinese embassy in London or is that to easy!!.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
... why the hell are they protesting in London (the UK doesn't even make it onto the chart), and not Beijing, Washington DC, New Delhi, Moscow, Tokyo , Brazilia, or even Teheran for heaven's sake?
Because in about half of those cities they would go straight to jail, the others just wouldn't listen to them and would 'move them on'.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 19:02
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Originally Posted by netstruggler View Post
I'll challenge you on that one. I think when floating ice melts the water levels do not change. The volume of the ice does reduce as it turns to water, but that is exactly compensated for by the ice originally above the waterline melting into the water.
Melting icebergs increase water levels (though not by very much).

Courtesy of New Scientist:

Fresh water, of which icebergs are made, is less dense than salty sea water. So while the amount of sea water displaced by the iceberg is equal to its weight, the melted fresh water will take up a slightly larger volume than the displaced salt water. This results in a small increase in the water level.





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Old 26th Jun 2019, 20:09
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Climate change is just that, It has happened over centuries, with consequences.
And it will continue over the coming centuries.
There will be warming, cooling and other non-man made influences.
Polar bears may disappear - so did dinosaurs
Plastic is not bad. It is enormously effective in many respects. It is the way in which Humans dispose of it that is the problem!
The foretelling of such things as rising sea levels (in SW UK eg), by young PhD experts in the nineties, has not materialized. In some places the reverse is true.
All of that is not to say that Humans do not contribute to planet change. They do. But in a very, very small way,compared to natural climate change,
Concentrate on mankind behavior, yes. But not by doing it in a way that assumes profitable material behaviour (eg wind farns) will alter climate change. Such 'Green' policies arise from 'hippy' protestations with 1970's roots. Their tents even look alike!
Tell our children the truth - not how to protest!
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