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It appears the Paras do not rate Jeremy Corbyn

Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:44
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What colour uniforms do our troops wear in Afghanistan? I know it’s dispersed pattern but what colour?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:51
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If you review Corbyn’s A level results there is only one moron involved. Hint: it’s not the Paras. My father was a Para and I will reinforce the Lions led by donkeys statement. We ask these lads to do an incredibly difficult job then expect them to act like choirboys. I suspect that the Paras from top to bottom have nothing but contempt for Corbyn bearing in mind his associations with some highly dubious individuals. Of course there will be condemnation and howls of outrage from the usual sources and grudgingly I will admit there was an error of judgement. However, who knows the level of stress the lads are under? Corbyn would not have the courage to jump out of a plane let alone the other horrific stuff. Cut them some slack.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:57
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I must admit that, in view of the date of this appearing, within 24 hours or so of April 1st it did cross my mind if it was a belated fool's day trick.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 18:05
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FWIW when I first trained on low level Sim Attack Profiles my instructor would quite often start the planning cycle with a quip such as ‘The Labour Party conference is being held in this farmhouse Bloggs’...and I’d then plan a LL route and lay down attack against it. Not sure we did any harm and not convinced the guys in the video did either.
I think saying the paras have form based on Bloody Sunday and this is nothing short of ridiculous.
I can see how you might question the judgement of those involved in the video.
It's fair enough to designate a "target " based on politics and / or political viewpoints and I'm sure it's been used many, many times ( I bombed Blenheim Palace one day...in a Ka8 , yeah, I know,) but, the fun bit aside, there's a very unpleasant subliminal effect to their stupidity.

There's been a significant rise in right wing extremists in the UK and many have a former military background. Those that don't see such as a form of "inspiration " to support their warped, malignant and potentially lethal minds.....everybody knows the reputation of the Para's and, while this video may simply be viewed ( by some ) as "letting of steam " for those who are inclined towards extremism and even more so in these dysfunctional political times, it could be viewed as an incentive ....."good lads them Para's ! " etc etc. Also worthy of note is the less than appealing photo of Tommy, or Stephen if you prefer, posing with troops. The military, well some elements, are a fertile recruiting source for such organisations intent on violence in pursuit of their ideologies.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 18:35
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I must admit that, in view of the date of this appearing, within 24 hours or so of April 1st it did cross my mind if it was a belated fool's day trick.
Quite a lot on ARRSE, one suggestion is it was a great ago. Where are 3 Para now?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 18:45
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I have no experience of paint balls but would have expected some splatter. Also i thought that the balls would be different colours. The noise was not loud and they were not wearing any East protection. I wonder what exactly we saw.
It's simunition I think. The guns were blue implying non dangerous. I saw that when I realised they were pretty careless with them. Obvious when you think a about it.
Working on a film once in a former army barracks the former Officers mess was littered with spent cases and handles from stun grenades. The walls were splattered with small blue and red paint marks. Clearly it had been used for an exercise by special forces. This was confirmed by a document I found describing surveillance on a subversive.
Using real weapons with paint sounds like a lot of fun and very useful for military personnel.
That's what they were doing in the video. 'Shooting' Corbyn with paint is fun. Putting it online is stupid.

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 21:55
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Yeah, if you don't want to hear bad things said about Thatcher in your musical theatre it's probably best not to go and see one that is set in a northern English mining town in 1984.
Best avoid the Wizard of Oz, too
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 22:05
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I think saying the paras have form based on Bloody Sunday and this is nothing short of ridiculous.
I can see how you might question the judgement of those involved in the video.
Preceding Bloody Sunday by 6 months there was Ballymurphy, which is the Inquest going on at the moment, it included shooting dead a priest 14 times who was giving last rites to a person shot on the ground.

Guy who texted me is ex forces, East Belfast tells you his background and has little time for Corbyn.

Separately his viewpoint is person's concerned let themselves and their unit down badly.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 22:29
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The military, well some elements, are a fertile recruiting source for such organisations intent on violence in pursuit of their ideologies.
Not sure it is worse, likely less of a recruiting ground as in 1990 there were 220,000 regular and reservists, now less than half that.

In 2000 1% of Army were Black / Ethnic minority, 2006 it was 8%, 2018 it is 13%.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 22:39
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The 1972 paras represent as much actually as nothing like current regiment. Derry to them was another colonial assignment. Just more wogs.

Take that as you will.

Different world now.

One hopes




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Old 4th Apr 2019, 23:13
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Interesting about far right organisations trying to recruit ex servicemen and women to their cause. When I first left the RAF in 1977 I opened a collectors' shop. One day a coin dealer came in and introduced himself and we did a bit of business. In conversation I mentioned that I had recently left the RAF, to which he replied "Then you would probably be interested in joining the National Front" I was both mystified at why he should draw this conclusion, and amused, but I assured him that I wasn't interested, and he let it drop. I subsequently did plenty of business with both him and his brother over the years, the latter also being an NF member and a keen collector of Nazi memorabilia, but in all fairness neither of them ever talked politics with me.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 11:02
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WRONG

Sinn Fein come from a long list of MPs elected in Northern Ireland and in Ireland in 1918 who refused to sit in Westminster because they believe London rule is illegimate.

Nowt to do with Oath of allegiance.

People elect them because they are very clear they will not sit as MPs, it is rare that a politician keeps their manifesto promise.
Not going to admit you are wrong then? It is everything to do with their refusal to take the Oath.

Paras - well done! Corbyn's constituency is more Kabul than Kensington anyway.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 12:04
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Read up on Irish history.

1918 Sinn Fein members elected to House of Commons refused to take their seats in Westminster and that has carried on until this day. Nothing to do with the Oath. 1918 election was when first women elected to House of Commons and she refused to take her seat.

House of Commons procedures change so unless someone comes in and swears the Oath they will be unpaid as an elected MP. This was done once Sinn Fein MPs were elected and refused to take their seats.
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I don't need to read that, It's nothing to do with the issue of MPs - what you write makes no sense. Refusal to take the Oath means SF can't take their seats in the HoC, whether it is 1918 or 2018, and are therefore not properly representing their constituents. Even a terrorist sympathiser like Corbyn took the Oath (with his fingers and mind crossed).

As quoted above: Until the oath or affirmation is taken, an MP may not receive a salary, take their seat, speak in debates or vote. The usual wording of the oath is: I... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 13:37
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Well, I must be guilty as charged then....

After every election, I collect all the neighborhood candidate signs and use them for target practice in a remote quarry. They have the advantage of wooden stakes already attached as well as a life-size target.

I don't distinguish along party political lines either - all candidates are fair game to me.

(Did I mention I'm an Anarchist? That helps! )

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Old 5th Apr 2019, 13:54
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I don't need to read that, It's nothing to do with the issue of MPs - what you write makes no sense. Refusal to take the Oath means SF can't take their seats in the HoC, whether it is 1918 or 2018, and are therefore not properly representing their constituents. Even a terrorist sympathiser like Corbyn took the Oath (with his fingers and mind crossed).
If they tell their constituents that if elected they will not sit in HOC, then they are representing their constituents because you know when voting they will never sit in HOC. Irrespective of whether there was an Oath or not SF would NOT be taking seats there. There has been their stance all through history.

As quoted above: Until the oath or affirmation is taken, an MP may not receive a salary, take their seat, speak in debates or vote. The usual wording of the oath is: I... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Rules were changed after Sinn Fein MPs elected in 1980's to prevent abstentionist MPs drawing a Salary. Ultimately the people who decide whom is an MP are the electors.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 13:59
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Well, I must be guilty as charged then....

After every election, I collect all the neighborhood candidate signs and use them for target practice in a remote quarry. They have the advantage of wooden stakes already attached as well as a life-size target.

I don't distinguish along party political lines either - all candidates are fair game to me.

(Did I mention I'm an Anarchist? That helps! )
You not doing it as a member of the military are you, in Uniform and using equipment owned by the state.

No law about what you do in your own time provided it is legal, bad taste is irrelevant.

Which is why if those numbskulls had done this at a paintball range, not on a base, not using army equipment, while off duty the issue is irrelevant no matter whose face they use as a target.
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When I signed up in 1965, I was amazed and baffled when I realised what a hideously pro-Tory constituency the Army was. Virtually all of my mates supported them. Until Harold Wilson came along with the Prices & Incomes policy. I remember well the civil servants coming to our workshop at Catterick and being shown the wide range of things we had to take care of, including the then new fangled analog/digital stuff we had to get our heads round. Plus shooting at and being shot at in our soldier role. We got a decent pay rise out of that and a few political minds were changed. Of course, in my first few years I wasnm't able to vote anyway!
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 09:18
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So anxious to jump on the outrage bus RACEDO that you have totally missed the bleedin' obvious. What you saw in that video, if it is genuine, is soldiers carrying out a requirement to maintain their skill at arms.
That is what soldiers do, particularly if they are part of the spear head troops, as the parachute troops are, so of course they were in uniform, on military facilities, using military equipment and being paid for it, all with tax payers money, the taxpayer has a right to demand it.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 10:38
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So anxious to jump on the outrage bus RACEDO that you have totally missed the bleedin' obvious. What you saw in that video, if it is genuine, is soldiers carrying out a requirement to maintain their skill at arms.
That is what soldiers do, particularly if they are part of the spear head troops, as the parachute troops are, so of course they were in uniform, on military facilities, using military equipment and being paid for it, all with tax payers money, the taxpayer has a right to demand it.
Priceless !
How to blissfully ignore, or not even comprehend, the relevance of using an MP as a target image in the current political mayhem here in the UK.....interesting to see you have returned by the way. Shame I'm no longer resident in Derbyshire, we could have met for Afternoon Tea.

Do you, by any chance, work for the M.o.D P.R Dept ?
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