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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:08
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post

Lots of companies realise the UK market eclipses the rest of EU, despite remoaner protestations.

Maybe if you lot stopped lying people would listen. Just a thought.
The EU has a total GDP of 7x as much as the UK.

Germany, France, Belgium, Finland, Austria, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Ireland all have a higher GDP per capita than the UK.

I dont know how that classifies as “the UK market eclipses the rest of the EU”.

Looks like you’re the one who needs a lesson on lying my friend...

Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post
No offense intended, but do you really think this?
I mean, the "UK market" is based on a single nation with nearly 70 million people. The EU is made of 27 nations and nearly 450 million people.

I honestly can't see how the UK could be a more attractive market.....
Yes they and all the other leavers do believe in all of these fairy tale things without evidence.

Like how they believe the UK economy will thrive in a No Deal Brexit despite WTO tariffs being applied.

Or how Brexit can be accomplished without the backstop or a hard border.

Or how some believe putting up a hard border in Ireland doesn’t violate the Good Friday Agreement.

Or how some believe that Ireland will abandon the EU and come running to the UK after Brexit

Or how the UK will be able to sign all these fantastic trade deals in the future with countries that are economically much stronger than them.

Or how the EU will cave to BoJo’s demands at the last minute and the UK will score access to the free market and limit migration and no backstop.

Or what the previous poster said, that third party nations will ignore 450 million EU consumers for 65 million UK ones

Fairytale thinking.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:15
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Sorry thought it obvious, perhaps not, my fault.

The context was "in their sector, lots of companies realise the UK market eclipses the rest etc...", not, as you inferred, a general observation.

Apologies for my misleading earlier observation

Thank you for reading
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:20
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For those interested in all things economic and GDP rankings:

https://ceoworld.biz/2018/12/28/gdp-...conomies-2019/
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:22
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
The context was "in their sector, lots of companies realise the UK market eclipses the rest etc...", not, as you inferred, a general observation.
What would be interesting is, besides what companies, sectors etc. are in question, how would those businesses be impacted by a No-Deal Brexit ?
There must be some studies we could be referred to ?

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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:37
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Possibly follow link from the one below, entitled 'World Economic Outlook dated April 2019 on RH side, plus maybe some of the other ones that refer to Brexit:
https://www.imf.org/en/search#q=Brexit&sort=relevancy

Some more from earlier times that might be considered as educated opinions, if one considers there is such a thing with regard to Brexit which no-one has ever experienced before :

https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/art...ons-businesses

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ries-warns-imf
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 15:43
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We could alway levy on Eire huge charges for using our airspace services, as we control all of it around their patch of land
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Some more from earlier times that might be considered as educated opinions, if one considers there is such a thing with regard to Brexit which no-one has ever experienced before :

https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/art...ons-businesses
Read the info on the above link.
Things might not be that simple with many businesses in case of a No-Deal Brexit.
Only business lawyers will see a boom. But are there enough of them poised to review every and all contracts referring to any EU territory or dispositions ?

Also :
Let's consider a firm exporting products to the EU at the moment. Those goods or appliances require a CE marking to be accepted in the EU.
If this CE certificate has been issued by a UK assessment body, the firm will have to arrange for a new CE assessment issued by a EU member state before being able to resume export.
I've seen prices range from € 64 to € 64,000 per item, and that may include actual tests, not just paperwork.

Bottom line, leave if you will, but by all means sign a deal !

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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 16:38
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The Guardian link provided doesn't appear accurate : it presents the UK as the third largest trading partner within the EU, whereas according to other data, it is the 7th, behind Germany, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Italy & Spain.
The 8th is...Poland ;-)



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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Also :
Let's consider a firm exporting products to the EU at the moment. Those goods or appliances require a CE marking to be accepted in the EU.
If this CE certificate has been issued by a UK assessment body, the firm will have to arrange for a new CE assessment issued by a EU member state before being able to resume export.
I suppose we could follow what the Chinese do.
Just print the CE mark on everything and bügger the actual approval.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 17:04
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
The Guardian link provided doesn't appear accurate : it presents the UK as the third largest trading partner within the EU, whereas according to other data, it is the 7th, behind Germany, Netherlands, France, Belgium, Italy & Spain.
The 8th is...Poland ;-)
The graph says export of GOODS. Services is our main export to the EU. That may be where the discrepancy lies?
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 17:07
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
We could alway levy on Eire huge charges for using our airspace services, as we control all of it around their patch of land
I assume that was tongue in cheek, but if it wasn’t: how many nanoseconds after we did that do you think the EU as a whole would reciprocate?
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 17:26
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I suppose we could follow what the Chinese do.
Just print the CE mark on everything and bügger the actual approval.
Ah ah, Sallyann, that's a good one !
Might give interesting results in the land of Gilets Jaunes^^!
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 18:27
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post


The graph says export of GOODS. Services is our main export to the EU. That may be where the discrepancy lies?
Good point, zoigberg.
This info seems hard to come by.
Perhaps someone might make something of the following ?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindus...oseptember2018
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


I assume that was tongue in cheek, but if it wasn’t: how many nanoseconds after we did that do you think the EU as a whole would reciprocate?
;-)
Couldn't happen this year.
The UK is and remains a member of EUROCONTROL, en-route charges must be approved in November by a Commission.


"Each EUROCONTROL Member State establishes the unit rate of en-route charges (basic unit rate) levied in the airspace for which it is responsible. In November of each year, the enlarged Commission approves the basic unit rates for the following year.Basic unit rates are adjusted every month if the national currency of a Member State is not the euro. The monthly unit rate is recalculated by applying an exchange rate between the euro and the national currency. This exchange rate is the average of the “closing cross rate” calculated by Reuters on the basis of the daily BID rate, for the preceding month."
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 18:47
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
We could alway levy on Eire huge charges for using our airspace services, as we control all of it around their patch of land
And the EU would do the same. Not a really smart move in my opinion...and nobody would benefit from it.

bpilatus : thanks for clarifying
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 20:29
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post

The graph says export of GOODS. Services is our main export to the EU. That may be where the discrepancy lies?
Finally got something :
https://researchbriefings.parliament...851#fullreport

£289 bn total.




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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 06:19
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Speaking about professionals who know what they’re talking about being insulted and dismissed by people who don’t:

Jacob Rees-Mogg attacks doctor who advised government on no-deal Brexit, dismissing his warnings people will die as ‘fear-mongering’
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 07:06
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" Dear Pickfords.....I would like to make a provisional booking for a house move during the week commencing 14th October 2019 .....yours, Boris "

Actually, it's the dog I feel sorry for in all this .The poor dog was rescued only to find itself stuck with Boris and the current ( subject to change without notice ) lady residing with him. Dogs need exercise for a start plus I don't see either of them being inclined to produce those little black bags and sully their pinkies picking up yesterdays doggy dinner.

The serious bit is that Boris seems intent on making the unlamented deceased look like a paragon of democratic principles ........still, for those so enamoured to (select Leave mantra of choice here ) the result of the referendum all those years ago, enjoy basking in the safe and certain knowledge your vote has ensured years of political turmoil, the further demise of the UK in global standing, a recession and price increases, to name but a few ramifications.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:24
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Speaking about professionals who know what they’re talking about being insulted and dismissed by people who don’t:

Jacob Rees-Mogg attacks doctor who advised government on no-deal Brexit, dismissing his warnings people will die as ‘fear-mongering’
The exact same arguments we've been seeing here : "remain campaign", "Project Fear", "remoaners"...
Einstein comes to mind ;-)
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
The exact same arguments we've been seeing here : "remain campaign", "Project Fear", "remoaners"...
Einstein comes to mind ;-)
The government shouldn't have asked for professional advice if they didn't want to hear it.

But ReesMogg, with his safe EU investments, doesn't need to worry about anyone else being hurt by Brexit. As a devout Catholic he only has to go into the confession box and all will be forgiven.
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