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Old 27th Aug 2019, 15:52
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips
The fine art of nepotism / cronyism
You are ["Lord"] fat'n'useless Prescott, and I claim my £5

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
You are ["Lord"] fat'n'useless Prescott, and I claim my £5

Do the gruaniad give you free subs if you post their drivel every day on a website whose readership numbers they can only wet dream about?

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It's not often a thread title on here acts in lieu of a profile being completed.....and supports the content of posts thereafter.

My congratulations on a JB first !
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 17:34
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Not totally useless ! I understand Baron Prescott could serve ( not actually mix ) a decent gin and tonic thanks to his former employment as a ship steward .

Then on to greater things as a trade union “activist”, no serious , responsible work you understand, discounting his time aboard ship, to be fair.

Now he sits in splendour as a socialist Baron, no less, enjoying the trappings of the peerage .. oh well ! No real surprises,

I’m waiting for Lord Corbyn of the allotments to be appointed ..
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 18:21
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He will have to join the Kew......
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 19:15
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 20:07
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I doubt it will make any difference as any new deal, or for that matter a slight amendment to the existing WA , will not get passed through Westminster by those who claim they just don't want a default leave, those very same people who will do anything to try and stop the UK leaving, apparently not realising that without another agreed extension we will be in default of Article 50 at the next deadline at the end of October, as we were at the end of the last two deadlines were it not for May asking for extensions that for some reason the EU believed the reasons for them, and the UK did diddly squat to change the stalemate they got themselves in and wasted that extension time.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
... the UK did diddly squat to change the stalemate they got themselves in and wasted that extension time.
The UK remoaniacs wasted the extension time rehashing the argument from 2016 rather than accepting the result.

Sad, but not unexpected.

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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:03
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Well, whatever the outcome, the Tories have trashed the reputation of your country for decades to come. I'd be more concerned with that than whether the UK (eventually) leaves or stays.

When you have the likes of Priti Patel as Home Secretary, an individual who arguably should have been tried for treason (abolished I believe by Blair), somebody who cannot string a coherent sentence together, and has views bordering on fascist, then you know things really are screwed.

That the rest of the cabinet consisting of such fine examples as Raab and Truss really seals the lid on the matter.
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:39
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Does anyone know why these trolls are such remain supporters ?
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Old 27th Aug 2019, 21:48
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I'm not sure who you are referring to, because my view is that you should leave, trash the country and make it a poor Singapore imitation, when I left back in '98 the country was already sinking (gracefully then though if there could be such a thing), now it is going down Titanic style with the captain still under the delusion of flotation.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 01:09
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Does anyone know why these trolls are such LEAVE supporters ?

Fixed it for ya.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 05:39
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You are ["Lord"] fat'n'useless Prescott, and I claim my £5
Not even close. It's Diane Abbott.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 06:20
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Not even close. It's Diane Abbott.
Whilst it may be true that gruaniad readers and ms Fabbott share a brain cell, the point was more that cronyism (in this case promotion to the lords) is not now, and never was, a Tory-only game.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 06:21
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Some economic data that might be of possible interest to some, I know, we are still in and it is because of the EU we are still hanging in there:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...598.1566972368

https://www.focus-economics.com/blog...s-in-the-world

https://fxssi.com/top-10-of-the-stro...n-current-year
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 07:00
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Does anyone know why these trolls are such LEAVE supporters ?

Fixed it for ya.
Ya ?? Oh dear
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 07:08
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
The UK remoaniacs wasted the extension time rehashing the argument from 2016 rather than accepting the result.

Sad, but not unexpected.

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No, actually most of the time was wasted by having a totally unnecessary Tory Party leadership election, then taking the rest of the time off in parliamentary recesses of one sort or the other. I'm sure that honourable members from the other side weren't working that hard either, but given the fact that for the best part of 3 months the government was rudderless that is hardly surprising.

The UK has totally wasted the extension. Will it waste any future extension that might be granted? I imagine so.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 07:17
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Seems to miss the fact that even if he lost a bite of no confidence, BJ would not constitutionally be required to resign. He could just sit out th pe 14 days and be into a general election. Also misses out that the executive can withhold Royal Consent kllling the bill stone dead before stage 2.

Politico: https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...ttle-stations/

THE FIGHT AGAINST NO DEAL


BATTLE STATIONS: The first moves to try to block no deal will be made almost as soon as parliament returns next week, following yesterday’s largely successful summit of the fledgling “Remain Alliance.” With a legislative route now the primary focus rather than a vote of no confidence, the FT reports that anti-no-deal MPs will request an emergency SO24 debate from Commons Speaker John Bercow on Tuesday. Normally these debates are little more than a talking shop for MPs, but Bercow has hinted in the past that there may be scope for widening how they are used. The FT reports — and Playbook has heard the same — they may now become a vehicle for creating space in the order paper later in the month for emergency laws to force an Article 50 extension. A new beefed-up version of the Cooper-Letwin Bill has already been written, it seems. “To some extent the process is already sewn up,” a source tells the FT. “The mechanism is there, the wording is pretty much there.”

So do they have the numbers? It definitely appears so, although Tory whips will be imploring their MPs not to do anything radical while Boris Johnson’s “renegotiaion” with Brussels continues. But a source tells the FT confidently: “Cooper-Letwin passed by a majority of one in the spring, and now … there are people like Rory Stewart, Philip Hammond, other more junior ex-ministers. The number of rebels will go up.”

Speaking of whom: The Telegraph reports Hammond wants to play a leading role in the rebel movement, presumably just to wind up No. 10 even more than he already has. “He’ll be the cheerleader,” a former minister tells the paper. Rory Stewart, meanwhile, is now outright trolling Boris Johnson on social media —this “Little Britain” jibe on Twitter last night was actually pretty funny.



But will the plan work? Most of those involved are confident they have drawn up a watertight Act of Parliament that would force the prime minister to seek an Article 50 extension. But in truth key figures around Jeremy Corbyn are not convinced Boris Johnson will play by the rules. “We know we’re not dealing with a normal operation here. He would love for this to end in the courts,” one official said.

They might be right — Playbook spoke to one prominent Tory Brexiteer recently who was dismissive of the need for Johnson to abide by a Cooper-Letwin style law. “Are they really going to send a police officer down Downing Street to arrest the PM?” they grinned. “Let’s see how that plays out for them.”

Labour are thus already planning an immediate vote of no confidence in the government should Johnson fail to bow to parliament’s will. “If he ignores the legislation he will lose the confidence vote and Jeremy will be caretaker PM within a couple of days,” a Labour source said.

What a fun few weeks we have ahead.




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Old 28th Aug 2019, 08:14
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But will the plan work? Most of those involved are confident they have drawn up a watertight Act of Parliament that would force the prime minister to seek an Article 50 extension. But in truth key figures around Jeremy Corbyn are not convinced Boris Johnson will play by the rules. “We know we’re not dealing with a normal operation here. He would love for this to end in the courts,” one official said.

They might be right — Playbook spoke to one prominent Tory Brexiteer recently who was dismissive of the need for Johnson to abide by a Cooper-Letwin style law. “Are they really going to send a police officer down Downing Street to arrest the PM?” they grinned. “Let’s see how that plays out for them.”

Labour are thus already planning an immediate vote of no confidence in the government should Johnson fail to bow to parliament’s will. “If he ignores the legislation he will lose the confidence vote and Jeremy will be caretaker PM within a couple of days,” a Labour source said.

What a fun few weeks we have ahead.
I predict a full blown constitutional crisis some time in the next 2 weeks, especially as I have just seen reported that Johnson has announced the dates of the Queens Speech, which Laura Kuensberg has suggested kills off the opportunity for those opposed to no deal to take control of parliamentary business. Will he get away with it? Anyone's guess.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 09:08
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If the groups trying so desperately now to stop a No Deal had come together in 2016 to influence the referendum towards Remain, we might not have had these three years of grief heading for the precipice.

At that time many of these people believed the propaganda that leaving the EU would be a painless process. As a result they either didn't speak up loudly enough for Remain, or actually voted Leave.

Well it is far too late now to halt the process. The unelected Mr Cummings is in charge and will determine all our futures.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
If the groups trying so desperately now to stop a No Deal had come together in 2016 to influence the referendum towards Remain, we might not have had these three years of grief heading for the precipice.

At that time many of these people believed the propaganda that leaving the EU would be a painless process. As a result they either didn't speak up loudly enough for Remain, or actually voted Leave.

Well it is far too late now to halt the process. The unelected Mr Cummings is in charge and will determine all our futures.
Looking back, and without Googling, I really can't remember where Labour stood on all this in 2016? I'm still not sure in my own mind where they stand now.
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