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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:11
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Of course immigration was a big issue in the Leave vote, but you didn't need the DM to tell you that. All you had to do was walk round your average market town, check out your local factory workers, food packers, car washes, etc!

There's no shame in admitting you voted Leave because you thought immigration was out of control, not in my opinion at least.

We really should be moving on from this now, ensuring in future we only take in those that can make a genuinely positive contribution to our society, and that overall numbers are managed.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:26
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Of course it was a big issue and nobody is denying that people have concerns. It looks though as if Poles and Estonians will be largely replaced with Somalis and Afghans. I wonder how that goes down with the average Leave voter. Well actually I don't wonder because I know some who voted Leave and they are now saying they would have ( although they usually say "of") voted Remain.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 15:01
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I appreciate the time youíve taken with your reply. Zooming in on my iPad it seems to me that most (all? I canít see too clearly) of the DM front pages you've linked to concern immigration into the UK and donít address my query to your assertion that UK nationals abroad should have their alleged offences abroad minimised, or that Brits are law abiding unlike Ďscary brown peopleí to use your terminology.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 15:30
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I didn't realise there were classifications of Britishness based on Etnicity, so should they be force to wear certain badges / stars and have numbers tattooed on the arms ?
Even though many people wouldn't admit it, the ethnic background of someone and how they act most certainly can in some cases help determine the "Britishness" of a person.
If I was to make a list of all the British citizens that have been locked up on terrorism related charges in the UK in the past 20 years, what do you think would be a fairly common factor regarding their ethnic backgrounds?

Do you remember after the July 2005 bombings in London and the other incidents in the following years where there were interviews of people from the same ethnic background of the bombers and despite many (if not all) of them being British citizens, some of them kept referring to the bombings as revenge for the atrocities carried out on "our people".

Despite some of those people being born and bred in the UK and being British citizens, are they of a different classification of citizens to people who are also British citizens but actually considers themselves as British at all times?
In my opinion, yes.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 15:30
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Mostafa, I really would hate you to feel the victim of cast nasturtiums. If you care to point out where I have upset you in such a manner I would be more than happy to take the time to respond, either with a clarification or an apology.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Of course it was a big issue and nobody is denying that people have concerns. It looks though as if Poles and Estonians will be largely replaced with Somalis and Afghans. I wonder how that goes down with the average Leave voter. Well actually I don't wonder because I know some who voted Leave and they are now saying they would have ( although they usually say "of") voted Remain.
I'm genuinely optimistic that Ms Patel will ensure that's not the case for much longer. As for the not very subtle attempt to make out anyone who voted Leave is a "thickie" that does the Remain cause no help at all I am afraid.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 21:12
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Even though many people wouldn't admit it, the ethnic background of someone and how they act most certainly can in some cases help determine the "Britishness" of a person. If I was to make a list of all the British citizens that have been locked up on terrorism related charges in the UK in the past 20 years, what do you think would be a fairly common factor regarding their ethnic backgrounds?
I would suggest the ethnic background of the current Chancellor and Home Secretary’s disprove your hypothesis. It’s not their ethnic background - it’s their views and, in the case of those locked up, their behaviour. Detention without conviction not being on the current UK statute book.

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Old 25th Aug 2019, 21:25
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I would suggest the ethnic background of the current Chancellor and Home Secretaryís disprove your hypothesis. Itís. It their ethnic background - itís their views and, in the case of those locked up, their behaviour. Detention without conviction not being on the current UK statute book.


Hence the reason for my wording being very specific:

Even though many people wouldn't admit it, the ethnic background of someone and how they act most certainly can in some cases help determine the "Britishness" of a person.
and quoting the cases of two well known figures doesn't disprove anything.
Okay, I'll give you two well known names. Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary. Both British citizens (when convicted) and IMO, not worthy to be called that and again, IMO, deserved to be of a different classification of British Citizen compared to most law abiding people who live in the UK and respect the culture and people.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
I didn't realise there were classifications of Britishness based on Etnicity, so should they be force to wear certain badges / stars and have numbers tattooed on the arms ?
Well, you are wrong, there are British people from many and varied ethnic backgrounds, surely you know this ? They are proud of their heritage, as they should be. No stars or tattoos required , ethnicity e.g black or Pakistani, white British , male or female is included in statistics of prison populations and criminal offenses.
In the same way that the nationality of every prisoner is recorded EU included.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 07:38
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Pfeffel talking piffle again, this time on pork pies. Claiming the American market will be big for them. The Melton Mowbray pie association is saying that EU special status that they enjoy is more important as from Oct 31st they will no longer be able to claim their singularity of production, in effect losing their patent. Bozza must have a target painted on his shoe.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 07:49
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Pfeffel talking piffle again, this time on pork pies. Claiming the American market will be big for them. The Melton Mowbray pie association is saying that EU special status that they enjoy is more important as from Oct 31st they will no longer be able to claim their singularity of production, in effect losing their patent. Bozza must have a target painted on his shoe.
Pork pies are likely to be a popular outside the UK as Curry Wurst is outside Germany, or at least the German speaking world.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 08:21
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Pork pies are likely to be a popular outside the UK as Curry Wurst is outside Germany, or at least the German speaking world.
Well currywurst is very popular outside Germany and one is very adept at producing this dish one has to modestly say.......and not averse to the products of Melton Mowbray either.

However, once we leaver, then it's only as with so many other formerly consigned to history, thankfully, features of UK life that our diets will once again revert to stodge and unappetising basics such as boiled beef and carrots, with spotted dick for pudding. or dessert if you live in the Home Counties of course. Non of that foreign stuff, apart from US imports of chemical cocktails that is, will be permitted.

Here's Boris "like a rubber ball, I'll come bouncing back you " .......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...summit-cartoon
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 08:35
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Just touching on prisoner percentages and nationalities.

To base the British population on the whole population - men, women and children of all ages - and compared this with specific foreign or ethnic groups is invalid. The immigrant and ethnic groupings will have a different spread.

To take just Poles as mentioned above. There will be fewer in the older age groups as parents and grandparents may not have immigrated. Polish workers may not have brought family with them and so on.

You would only get a nearer comparison if you compared, say, white British 18-30 males with the same ethnic/national totals.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 09:17
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However, once we leaver, then it's only as with so many other formerly consigned to history, thankfully, features of UK life that our diets will once again revert to stodge and unappetising basics such as boiled beef and carrots, with spotted dick for pudding.
Now that is Project Fear!!!!
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 09:24
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What is wrong with carrots? Why does beef need to be boiled (though that is the way my paddy brother in law does it: boiled then roasted)?

If we don't have cabbage and cauliflower that is only because we don't have non-EU labour to pick them. As for beans, Kenyans still need to sell them to us.

We might even get beef sausages back on the menu.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 09:34
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

However, once we leaver, then it's only as with so many other formerly consigned to history, thankfully, features of UK life that our diets will once again revert to stodge and unappetising basics such as boiled beef and carrots, with spotted dick for pudding. or dessert if you live in the Home Counties of course. Non of that foreign stuff, apart from US imports of chemical cocktails that is, will be permitted.
Toad in the hole has already reappeared - at No. 10.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post


Well, you are wrong, there are British people from many and varied ethnic backgrounds, surely you know this ? They are proud of their heritage, as they should be. No stars or tattoos required , ethnicity e.g black or Pakistani, white British , male or female is included in statistics of prison populations and criminal offenses.
In the same way that the nationality of every prisoner is recorded EU included.
Your passpoer says "British", doesn't break it down further.

Sadly racists wish to break it down further to make it like "Well if not white and this and this and this then you are less British than I".
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 10:06
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Question: is the leave vote connected to racism fed by the media like the Sun, DM etc?
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 10:11
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No more so than by reaction to tendentious posts by offshore commentators.
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Old 26th Aug 2019, 10:26
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No more so than by reaction to tendentious posts by offshore commentators.
tendentious? maybe so indeed. Offshore? Ha, definately not !
but I do believe that fear of foreigners, and not even the EU ones, have played a big part in the leave vote.
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