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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
The EU would have prefered the deal they achieved with the previous PM. No one in Europe wanted to be responsible for a no-deal, with so much damage to the EU and UK economies.
So when May begged for delays after delays, no one had the guts to say no.

Now that it is believed by the UK that its economy will be boosted by the Brexit, the EU cares less. The sooner it gets rid of the UK, the sooner it can turn to more serious matters.
So why does the incoming President of the Commission seem to want to agree to yet another extension? Perhaps the EU hierarchy is out step with it's paymasters.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-von-d...ion/a-49597788

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 14:29
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So why does the incoming President of the Commission seem to want to agree to yet another extension?
Wait a minute, yet another extension^^?!??

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 14:46
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Wait a minute, yet another extension^^?!??
Bearing in mind what Ursula von der Leyen was up to when she made those comments, plus the old saying that a week is a long time in politics I'd check the date on that article....it was written when Theresa May was Prime Minister.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 14:56
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Bearing in mind what Ursula von der Leyen was up to when she made those comments, plus the old saying that a week is a long time in politics I'd check the date on that article....it was written when Theresa May was Prime Minister.
Thanks for the heads up, wiggy !
The article predates BJ's nomination by a week...

So much for the reliability of some posts here..

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 16:00
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Each of the Art.50 extensions was asked for by the UK, and agreed by the EU on the understanding that the time would be employed by the UK to endorse the existing Agreement or come up with something better.

I'm sure that if the EU had known the time would be wasted they would not have agreed to any extension. We would be out by now.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 16:12
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Brexit Beach Party - anyone going?
And why not also organize such a party in the Calais area also ?
We could watch the fireworks across the Straight of Dover...

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 16:14
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I'm sure that if the EU had known the time would be wasted they would not have agreed to any extension. We would be out by now.
I am not convinced that we will leave anytime soon, I think that another extension will be forthcoming to either tie up an slightly amended version of the existing WA and some fudge on the backstop, as we all know the EU will not accept any proposals that the UK have already put forward to negate a hard border, which is why the backstop is there, also I think Johnson is going to do a May and believe the polls that he is going to win a majority at an election sooner rather than later, as he will want to have confirmation that his stance on a default exit IAW Article 50 is what the UK want, it may well be, but he will not win a majority on that ticket, so it will be back to the stalemate we are in now as no-one in Westminster will sign of any deal.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 16:15
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Thanks for the heads up, wiggy !
The article predates BJ's nomination by a week...

So much for the reliability of some posts here..
The quoted article is accurate unless you are telling us Deutche Welle is not a reliable source. Until such times as she publicly changes her mind her position is what was quoted in the article. She is open to another Brexit extension even if nobody else is.

Can you point us to a reliable source where she rescinds her public position on being open to another Brexit extension?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 16:38
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The quoted article is accurate unless you are telling us Deutche Welle is not a reliable source.
Not I'm not saying that at all..and you know it.

I'm sure it was an accurate article expressing Ursula von der Leyen's position at the time...however politicians have been known to change their stance once they have got what they wanted;

All the times Boris Johnson called for Britain to stay in the single market

The question is does she still support another extension?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 17:06
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If that qualifies as a desk in your home, you must be awfully short.
Or short of space. My desk resides in my garage. Where I work is in our large conservatory (not the sort KnC might spurn, more an orangery) with a notable lack of wall space.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 17:41
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If that qualifies as a desk in your home, you must be awfully short.
It looks more like a coffee table to me.

And without the coffee and biscuits.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 17:57
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Not I'm not saying that at all..and you know it.

I'm sure it was an accurate article expressing Ursula von der Leyen's position at the time...however politicians have been known to change their stance once they have got what they wanted;

All the times Boris Johnson called for Britain to stay in the single market

The question is does she still support another extension?
Until she changes her position publicly then the obvious answer to your question is 'yes she does'. Of course Boris has changed his public position on various aspects of leaving the EU as time has gone by, but what has that got to do with the incoming EU's President's position on anything? The current President on the other hand is on public record as stating that he is a liar. The quote below from a Daily Telegraph profile in 2014

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ve-to-lie.html

" ... Germany's Suddeutsche Zeitung accused Mr Juncker of “taking the lead on the deception” and warned he had managed “to fritter away the last remaining trust the people of Europe still have”...."

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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 18:14
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What do we make of those hints about a new extension ?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 18:43
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What do we make of those hints about a new extension ?
Bollox

Next pointless pointscoring pointless question please.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
What do we make of those hints about a new extension ?
What hints? From who? Only the UK can request an extension.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:11
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Didn’t BJ announce he wanted to do it ASAP? With or without any deal?
So why the delay? EU is not renegotiating anything?
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:18
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What hints? From who? Only the UK can request an extension.
Well if you believe The Times today, Grieve and a variety of other remainer MPs are visiting Brussels to agree the length and conditions for an another extension before trying to push it through parliament.

The agreement being necessary to get terms that they think the majority of parliament will accept and vote for and which subsequently the EU Council would accept. What they can’t afford is to get to the point of forcing Boris to go to the EU and then coming back and saying the terms requested are unacceptable.

The assumption, of course, being that the EU, including Macron, will be willing to agree terms acceptable to the rest of Parliament - or any terms at all. Assuming they can get anyone from the outgoing Commission the heads of states will even listen too.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:21
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My bold. Why does it keep offering extensions especially if, as you state, the EU preference is for the UK to leave with or without a deal? The agreement to extensions would seem to indicate the EU cares very much.
Because Article 50 is decided on by a country, EU follow it and if a country keeps asking for extension they will do so to a point, then a point gets reached when they say enough.

UK can't decide what it wants, this is UK internal not EU decision.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:22
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
What hints? From who? Only the UK can request an extension.
From whom ?
That post... about a 40 day old press report...


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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
From whom ?
That post... about a 40 day old press report...
You've lost me.
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