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Old 21st Aug 2019, 16:50
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So how are UK Border agency going to police 208 crossings, 310 miles of border with a population who refuses to allow them do it ?
They could use the army. Oh, wait...

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Old 21st Aug 2019, 16:52
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
Yes.

It is called 'brexit' and it means that our sovereign government (and only our sovereign government) decides how we manage our borders.

It is so, so, simple I am surprised it hasn't 'clicked' yet for you.

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Really ?

How then have you controlled immigration fron non EU members ?

Has it gone down ?
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 16:56
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
You eu folk love your 'monitoring' and 'controlling' of stuff.
Is that why London has more CCTV cameras than anywhere else.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 17:16
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It is so, so, simple I am surprised it hasn't 'clicked' yet for you

Not sure of what exactly your domain of expertise is, but whereas you may be fully prepared, it is not the case for many sectors of activity in the UK : food, fisheries, pharmacy, transport, automobile, fuel...
They all express concern about the complexity of the situation and their unpreparedness. It doesn't seem to have clicked for them either ;-)
Lack of competence ?
Or maybe you just didn't grasp the situation in its entirety ?
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 17:41
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Originally Posted by racedo
How then have you controlled immigration fron non EU members ?
popped out for a quick cigarette break...

You seem to conflate 'manage' and 'control' far too easily it must be an eu thing...

We 'manage' non-EU migration just fine. It's ours to manage as we see fit as a sovereign nation.

Post brexit we shall manage eu immigration just fine too, with no silly rules about it coming as diktats from unelected juntas.

I'm looking forward to it. When anyone, post brexit, whinge about immigration (or whatever) we can fix it at the ballot box.

Thank you for reading.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post

You seem to conflate 'manage' and 'control' far too easily it must be an eu thing...
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Lexico- powered by the OED , on "manage"

Thank you for reading definition 1.4 and 1.5....
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 17:57
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Not sure of what exactly your domain of expertise is, but whereas you may be fully prepared, it is not the case for many sectors of activity in the UK : food, fisheries, pharmacy, transport, automobile, fuel...
They all express concern about the complexity of the situation and their unpreparedness. It doesn't seem to have clicked for them either ;-)
Lack of competence ?
Or maybe you just didn't grasp the situation in its entirety ?
It doesnít really matter ! obsession with beaurocracy is do EU, all this will be renegotiated in due course
itís clearly impossible to prepare for every minor detail .
The situation has been firmly grasped, surprises are expected thatís all.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:00
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post

We 'manage' non-EU migration just fine. It's ours to manage as we see fit as a sovereign nation.
You're not very good at this are you?

Year after year our immigration from outside the EU has been greater than from inside the EU. In spite of successive governments pledging to reduce it. That will not be affected by Brexit, except perhaps to increase because immigration staff will now have to check EU travellers as well.

Please explain how that has been 'managed'.

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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:10
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
popped out for a quick cigarette break...

You seem to conflate 'manage' and 'control' far too easily it must be an eu thing...

We 'manage' non-EU migration just fine. It's ours to manage as we see fit as a sovereign nation.

Post brexit we shall manage eu immigration just fine too, with no silly rules about it coming as diktats from unelected juntas.

I'm looking forward to it. When anyone, post brexit, whinge about immigration (or whatever) we can fix it at the ballot box.

Thank you for reading.
So you don't know then? That's fine just admit it. Unfortunately it seems to sum up Brexit in a nutshell. "Who cares about the details, everything will be fine". Bloody frightening. And enough with saying the EU is an unelected junta, we all voted for who we wanted to represent us in the EU within the last few months. It isn't the House of Lords you know!
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You're not very good at this are you?

Year after year our immigration from outside the EU has been greater than from inside the EU. In spite of successive governments pledging to reduce it. That will not be affected by Brexit, except perhaps to increase because immigration staff will now have to check EU travellers as well.

Please explain how that has been 'managed'.
According to the BBC today, the ONS have been under estimating EU immigration and over estimating non EU immigration for years.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Lexico- powered by the OED , on "manage"

Thank you for reading definition 1.4 and 1.5....
Lol !
And this guy was talking about "eu know-nothing " just a while ago...;-)
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by bpilatus View Post
popped out for a quick cigarette break...

You seem to conflate 'manage' and 'control' far too easily it must be an eu thing...

We 'manage' non-EU migration just fine. It's ours to manage as we see fit as a sovereign nation.

Post brexit we shall manage eu immigration just fine too, with no silly rules about it coming as diktats from unelected juntas.

I'm looking forward to it. When anyone, post brexit, whinge about immigration (or whatever) we can fix it at the ballot box.

Thank you for reading.
So you got no idea then.

How many Non EU migrants have entered UK since 2004 ?
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
The situation has been firmly grasped, surprises are expected thatís all.


Clearly an oxymoron...
But I agree my friend, surprises are to be expected ;-)
By whom, that is the question...
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 18:59
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
So you got no idea then.

How many Non EU migrants have entered UK since 2004 ?
Nobody knows, and when - and if - they leave - nobody will know either.
But it doesn't matter.
What will matter will be food and fuel supplies, pharmaceuticals, transport, car industry, the value of the £.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 19:25
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Seems we have movement over the backstop, the EU is finally waking up to the fact we are leaving regardless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 19:49
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Seems we have movement over the backstop, the EU is finally waking up to the fact we are leaving regardless

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427674
Wait a minute, there is a catch :
" it would be up to the UK to offer a workable plan. "

A workable plan...

Personnally I do not really care if they are leaving or not.

It's all about one thing : are they really prepared to leave, or are they not and so are gonna hang around for days or months ?
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 19:56
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
According to the BBC today, the ONS have been under estimating EU immigration and over estimating non EU immigration for years.
Statistical aberration perhaps or 'lies . . . '

Regarding free travel, I recall a flight from Belfast to East Midlands. We had just flown in and joined the immigration queue after the Belfast flight. Every went through immigration.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 20:12
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FlyA,

The thing is there is movement, the EU's cast in stone attitude is changing and that is a major breakthrough.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 20:19
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
FlyA,

The thing is there is movement, the EU's cast in stone attitude is changing and that is a major breakthrough.
Well seeing as the backstop was Dominic Raab's idea in the first place, let's see what "undemocratic" solutions the Tories propose next (that they'll subsequently reject).
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Nobody knows, and when - and if - they leave - nobody will know either.
But it doesn't matter.
What will matter will be food and fuel supplies, pharmaceuticals, transport, car industry, the value of the £.
These things always matter surely ? To everyone just ask the Greeks
Perhaps the euro will collapse, perhaps the farm subsidies will no longer be sufficient to support French
farmers l, no matter how many tonnes of potatoes they
deposit on the Champs Elysee , perhaps Muslim immigration will overrun Marseille and Paris.
Perhaps E German populism will result in right wing terror groups ... as opposed to left wing as before

Perhaps the UK will be a resounding success after Brexit and other EU member countries will be queuing up to do the same .

Perhaps... perhaps, no one knows, least of all you.. What is your agenda and why do you care ?
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