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Old 16th Aug 2019, 05:06
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I very much doubt that Mostafa will come up with a response, but I would sagged that it is more likely to be that he cannot come up with a credible one as much as anything. The New IRA is comprised of folk exactly like himself, driven by exactly the same motives. You cannot resort to patriotism without acknowledging the right of others to adopt it from their own perspective. Put an assault rifle in the hands of an eighteen year old Fenian and tell him that those men in khaki are murdering scum and there you go, play him a couple of verses of "Come out you Black and Tans" and you have a full blown shooting war.

It sums up the situation quite well when people say that they cannot see the connection between Brexit and the GFA. It's a lot clearer than say for example the assassination of an arch duke in Sarajevo and the resulting brouhaha that led to several million deaths, but it happened.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 05:28
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AP sources: Trump has talked about buying Greenland for US

August 15, 2019, 9:45 PMWASHINGTON (AP) — Aiming to put his mark on the world map, President Donald Trump has talked to aides and allies about buying Greenland for the U.S.

A Trump ally told The Associated Press on Thursday that the president had discussed the purchase but was not serious about it. And a Republican congressional aide said Trump brought up the notion of purchasing Greenland in conversations with lawmakers enough times to make them wonder, but they have not taken his comments seriously. Both spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:15
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It's because he thinks it is where Father Christmas makes toys for the Chinese market.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:18
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I have just listened to an item on the BBC concerning the potential for the sky falling in if the UK pulls out of the CFP. They used the UK's largest trawler as a clear example of the doom and gloom that would arise if this boat was no longer able to fish for cod in Norwegian waters. The vessel concerned is Kirkella, a big boat in terms of trawlers at 1,500 dwt and is flagged in the UK. What the article failed to mention was the ownership of the trawler: Owner Kirkella Ltd, c/o Deutsche Fischfang-Union, Cuxhaven, Germany.
However, the company, Kirkella Ltd is also registered in the UK at an address in Hessle (Hull) and of the 5 Directors, 1 is British, 2 are Dutch and 2 are Icelandic. So, how British is this boat?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:32
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As usual more utter tripe - you were there at the time? Where? in sunny Aldergrove, surrounded by Protestant Antrim, I suspect, sitting in a purpose built RAF camp where the closest you came to the IRA was to watch the TV. You have no idea, as do the people who reported on the war that really happened. As for EM doubting Iíll respond, another in cloud cuckoo land. Then you quote an Harvey Andrewes song, incidentally banned by the BBC, or better still just the line, that suits you liberal views! Why not quote the last line or doesnít that fit into your fluffy world. Brexit and the backstop has sweet FA to another another hard border. You first have to understand exactly why we put up towers to observe the border crossings in south Armagh but letís not let the truth get in the way of another good liberal remoaner groan.




Incidentally why do you think we only covered that very small part of the Northern Ireland border with towers?

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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:50
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More about CFP:

https://britishseafishing.co.uk/brex...ins-fisheries/

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Old 16th Aug 2019, 08:17
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Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 08:28
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Ireland's trade figures:

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/irl/
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 08:41
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.
Which stitch-up would that be?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 08:42
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Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.
That doesnít change the fact that any trade deal would have to go through the house and if pelosi opposes it, that would make that exercise particularly difficult.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 09:48
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Which stitch-up would that be?
You name it, it will be one..

Certainly in the context of the EU27 if they do anything at all from now on to protect the interests of one of it's own members some here will insist it's a "stitch-up".
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:07
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Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.
Nope

It wasn't Pelosi who was first indicating what would happen if Brexit caused issues to GFA. It was the cross party Irish Caucus which is made up of Democrats and Republicans in Congress. This is only the elected ones in both houses of Congress but there will be lots of others including State senators and Govenors who will echo this and make their feelings known to the people in congress.

People only have to remark that Steele dossier was supplied by a member (former ?) of UK intelligence services to influence Presidential election to get people annoyed in the US.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:10
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post


That doesnít change the fact that any trade deal would have to go through the house and if pelosi opposes it, that would make that exercise particularly difficult.
It has to through Ways and Means committee before even it gets to the floor of the house. Have you checked who is head of the Ways and Means committee ? Oh wait it is the guy who said 2 months ago that any damage to GFA and a trade deal will spent the next decade in committee.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:20
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Across the media people talk as if we do not trade with the USA yet and need a deal to replace all the trade that will stop between the EU countries and UK, another fallacy, according to trading sites the UK already trades with the USA, and quite substantially, is this just some being disingenuous:

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/e...united-kingdom
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
UK has a trade surplus of $2.3 billion that in all likelihood would cease.

Irish economy would be hammered but people are already expecting that and have been for 3 years, they will however be getting lots of EU support plus there will be lots of trade that EU will pressure importers to source from Ireland rather than UK.

Question is where would UK exports go ?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:37
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Across the media people talk as if we do not trade with the USA yet and need a deal to replace all the trade that will stop between the EU countries and UK, another fallacy, according to trading sites the UK already trades with the USA, and quite substantially, is this just some being disingenuous:

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/e...united-kingdom
US/UK trade deal means that US will be getting what they want as UK needs it.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:44
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
UK has a trade surplus of $2.3 billion that in all likelihood would cease.

Irish economy would be hammered but people are already expecting that and have been for 3 years, they will however be getting lots of EU support plus there will be lots of trade that EU will pressure importers to source from Ireland rather than UK.

Question is where would UK exports go ?
Latest economic figures,

Update on latest G7 GDP growth. A public service provided esp. for the elucidation of "Giles of the FT". % change in GDP from Q2 2018 to Q2 2019:

US 2.3

France 1.3

Canada 1.3 Q1

UK 1.2

Japan 1.2

Eurozone 1.1

Germany 0.4

Italy 0.0

If you really think the Eurozone is going to be able to fund Ireland, you may be mistaken.
So despite BREXIT, the UK is still doing well. The Eurozone figure is an average.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
US/UK trade deal means that US will be getting what they want as UK needs it.
So what you appear to be implying is a USA/UK trade deal will be for products and services that we will no longer get from the EU, and that we do not currently trade with the USA for?
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Latest economic figures,

Update on latest G7 GDP growth. A public service provided esp. for the elucidation of "Giles of the FT". % change in GDP from Q2 2018 to Q2 2019:

US 2.3

France 1.3

Canada 1.3 Q1

UK 1.2

Japan 1.2

Eurozone 1.1

Germany 0.4

Italy 0.0

If you really think the Eurozone is going to be able to fund Ireland, you may be mistaken.
So despite BREXIT, the UK is still doing well. The Eurozone figure is an average.
GDP done Qtr by Qtr and UK declined by 0.2% in last Qtr.
https://tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 15:15
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Exrigger: Thanks for the link. Some very interesting stats in there. Some years ago, when I was a bit more lively and still had a boat, I often took my nipper to Brixham for a spot of sea fishing and I couldn't help noticing the boats based there seemed to be going through a period of name changing. I asked a local about it and was told the licences were being bought up by Dutch operators. Same boat, same port and same crew but now suddenly owned by Dutch companies. Then, some years after that, I was working in Saudi Arabia and came across a bloke from Cumbria (working for BAE, I think) and he was telling me how he had inherited a fishing boat from his father. I asked him if he was going to go home and run the boat and he told me he planned to sell it. While the boat was small and in need of a lot of TLC, the licence that went with the boat would be worth around £400,000 to a European operator.
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