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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:07
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All Female Cabinet

I find it extraordinary that a supposed leader (and one from an allegedly ‘friendly’ party) deems it acceptable to publically discriminate so blatantly.

If her statements were reversed, from a gender perspective, there would be uproar.

The fact that she has made this statement less than a month after all parties bayed for the blood of a female PM beggars belief.

I think politicians, as a breed, all live in a different world to the rest of us. God knows who they think they represent.

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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:15
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Boris Johnson is not Churchill but de Gaulle

Political flux creates opportunities, but only a non-traditional Tory can seize them

In 1968, Richard Nixon had a “southern strategy” — he targeted the southern states of the US, and by swapping electorates with the Democrats ensured that the Republicans won five of the next six presidential elections. Boris Johnson, the UK’s new prime minister, has a similarly ambitious northern strategy — not just a reboot of George Osborne’s Northern Powerhouse, but a plan to win over Labour voters for a generation.

Mr Johnson signalled his intention soon after becoming prime minister with a promise to build HS3 — a high-speed railway connecting Leeds and Manchester. This sent a dual message: that he is willing to turn the taps on financially, and that spending will be directed for maximum impact. While the new prime minister may have courted Churchillian comparisons, perhaps his true political precursor is a continental one — the first president of France’s Fifth Republic, Charles de Gaulle.

Leaving the EU, deal or no deal, will be a massive shock for the UK and the only appropriate political response is bold leadership. This is where the emergent philosophy of the new administration — Johnsonism — comes in.

The most foolish of the Labour party’s attacks on Mr Johnson has been that he is a rabid rightwinger. The problem is that the new prime minister is not the narrow nationalist depicted by the Corbynites, he is a globalist. Nor is he a small-state Thatcherite Tory. Expect spending on Crossrail 2 as well as HS3. A new Mersey bridge as well as London’s east river crossing. The state, as the prime minister’s senior adviser Dominic Cummings has made clear, needs to be reformed, not reduced in size.

Dirigisme is back. In addition to transport infrastructure, expect a revival of development corporations. These could be the emblem of Johnsonism — creations of Margaret Thatcher’s environment secretary Michael Heseltine, using powers established by a Labour prime minister, Clement Attlee. They will be vehicles for the transformation of “left behind” England. For the battle is not merely over the north, it is about the former coalfields too. Leading members of the Brexit party have always seen a huge potential in the coalfield community seats — particularly those held by metropolitan Labour MPs. In this analysis, Ed Balls losing his Morley and Outwood seat by 421 votes in 2015 was a harbinger rather than an outlier. The prime minister sees this opportunity too, and is likely to commit to a massive council housebuilding programme, delivered through new town corporations — more direct control.

This is not just a case of tactically exploiting the Labour party’s existing weaknesses — a leadership and policies that are at odds with the working-class voters of the Midlands and the north. It is about remaking the electoral landscape of the country.

A referendum smashes and then remakes political allegiances, uprooting old loyalties and making millions of voters available. Not just swing voters, but switchers too. Political flux creates opportunities but it needs new approaches. The failures, in the end, of Mr Johnson’s predecessor Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, are almost identical — both saw the current political conjuncture as a chance to move their respective parties to the left and right poles. Traditionally, this would have created a gap in the centre, but the failure of any new “centrist” party is telling. Times of unprecedented change can only be answered by unprecedented politics. Step forward, Mr Johnson.

Good politicians accumulate political capital, great ones spend it as well. Michael Gove is the best recent model. His unchallenged reputation as a rightwinger enabled him to be the most liberal justice secretary since the post was created. Mr Johnson has learnt well from this example and has placed Mr Gove at his right-hand side as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster — that opaquely named post which is really “secretary of state for the centre of government”.

By delivering Brexit, Mr Johnson will have the largest amount of political capital that a Tory leader has had with their right since Thatcher won the miners’ strike. This will give him almost total freedom. Already he has established message discipline, and the political discourse has shifted from “people’s vote vs Brexit”, where the government struggled, to “no deal vs no Brexit”, where the Tories are the champions of the voice of the people.

The prime minister will use his freedom to marshal new constituencies. Not just the northern working class, but all patriots who worry about Mr Corbyn’s uncritical approach to Russian president Vladimir Putin. Expect a large increase in defence spending.

The work of Mr Gove to “green” the image of the Conservatives will continue, with legislation on animal rights and agricultural subsidies for carbon-neutral means of production. And don’t be surprised if the legalisation of cannabis moves closer — young people need a reason to vote Tory too.

Intervention. Infrastructure. Optimism. Patriotism. A renewal of politics to rescue the nation. Soon we will hear the prime minister’s clarion call: “Anglais, Anglais, aidez-moi!”


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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:31
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I find it extraordinary that a supposed leader (and one from an allegedly ‘friendly’ party) deems it acceptable to publically discriminate so blatantly.

If her statements were reversed, from a gender perspective, there would be uproar.
I first knew of this bright idea was yesterday P.M. when I heard a "WTF" from my ( feminist but not radically so) daughter and went to see what she was reading....Caroline Lucas's idea is just so boneheaded for so many reasons on so many levels...

Interesting that the Guardian chose not to open the report for comments.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 09:00
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ORAC, thanks for that quote. It explains something. Birkenhead was run by a Corporation not a council. It was the Corporation this and that, not the Council. I must look at the history more.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
I find it extraordinary that a supposed leader (and one from an allegedly ‘friendly’ party) deems it acceptable to publically discriminate so blatantly.

If her statements were reversed, from a gender perspective, there would be uproar.

The fact that she has made this statement less than a month after all parties bayed for the blood of a female PM beggars belief.

I think politicians, as a breed, all live in a different world to the rest of us. God knows who they think they represent.

BV
BV. Reminds me of the time when a "politically affected" female (Christine Keeler) opened her the legs and the cabinet fell out!
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 13:11
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STOP PRESS

I've just seen the first car sticker "Don't blame me - I voted Remain!"
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 13:27
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STOP PRESS

I've just seen the first car sticker "Don't blame me - I voted Remain!"
Quick google search reveals many different versions of anti Brexit stickers (and a few pro Brexit ones too!).. I'm placing my order, how about you?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 13:34
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No point really, it won't change anything.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Quick google search reveals many different versions of anti Brexit stickers (and a few pro Brexit ones too!).. I'm placing my order, how about you?
When one considers that a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters consider any Remainer is a traitor to their country, I suspect it is a pretty sure way to get one's car vandalised in fairly short order.

At least when driving in the UK.

A removable version to stick alongside the GB sticker when driving in Europe may actually be helpful though. Just to remind them that not everyone in the UK is insane, despite how strongly we seem determined to give that impression.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 14:26
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A removable version to stick alongside the GB sticker when driving in Europe may actually be helpful though. Just to remind them that not everyone in the UK is insane, despite how strongly we seem determined to give that impression.
Maybe an idea for the car insurance companies as you are not automatically insured anymore whilst driving on the continent!
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 19:32
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Originally Posted by Dont Hang Up View Post
When one considers that a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters consider any Remainer is a traitor to their country, I suspect it is a pretty sure way to get one's car vandalised in fairly short order.

At least when driving in the UK.

A removable version to stick alongside the GB sticker when driving in Europe may actually be helpful though. Just to remind them that not everyone in the UK is insane, despite how strongly we seem determined to give that impression.
My bold. Do you have any credible evidence to back your assertion up?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 20:50
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The remain rhetoric seems to be getting ever more lively. It’s not,like countries can’t survive outside the EU ..
the end game is coming. And it’s going to be lively. A post no deal brexit will see a Tory Boris government by 40 plus seats . Especially,if he calls it before any of the problems may, or may not, start
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 20:53
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Maybe an idea for the car insurance companies as you are not automatically insured anymore whilst driving on the continent!
What utter tosh! We have recently returned from a driving holiday around central Europe. Before we went I phoned our insurance company to see what extra cover we might need and I was told that I had 180 days driving on the continent automatically included in my cover. Your comment is yet another case of unsubstantiated Remoaner twaddle that, together with yellowtriumph's 'bold', really discredits any other situation that you might try to comment on.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
My bold. Do you have any credible evidence to back your assertion up?
Reading on here and Daily Mail would give people a snapshot.

Having said that my neighbour is a bit like that but he is an out and out racist as well.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:08
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
My bold. Do you have any credible evidence to back your assertion up?
Just reading the posts on this forum

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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:10
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Reading on here and Daily Mail would give people a snapshot.

Having said that my neighbour is a bit like that but he is an out and out racist as well.
I did say 'credible' rather than anecdotal.

In fairness, a simple search on Google does indeed reveal several cases as described by 'Don't Hang Up'. The thrust of my query is that the claim is made of a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters consider any remainder to be a traitor to their country. I contend this claim is simply unsupportable. But I suppose we must simply move on.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Just reading the posts on this forum

I see, so you are saying "a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters on this thread consider any remainer to be a traitor to their country", Care to substantiate that with numbers, as in 'substantial' numbers?
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My 75 year old SiL nearly physically attacked me when I called round and opened the conversation with "Brexit's going well I see".
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 22:37
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I see, so you are saying "a substantial proportion of Brexit supporters on this thread consider any remainer to be a traitor to their country", Care to substantiate that with numbers, as in 'substantial' numbers?
You are disputing the statement, you are the one do disprove it ;-)

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