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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Gosh, fancy the media not being as astute as yourself in this respect.....this one is from that well known fake news source "The Times " for example.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ence-s28ksnhzm

And then there's this one........obviously a touch of collusion going on here what !
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...n-refuses-rule
The first link, Times, is an opinion, and hearsay. The second is the journalist making a headline because BJ did not answer a question. In no way did the PM state anything about refusing to resign. You can check the online video clip.

So, where is your factual evidence that the PM has stated he would refuse to resign? C'mon you are full of facts and have called many MPs out for spouting made up 'facts'. You detest all the lying Tory MPs.

Take your time!
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:49
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Brown as PM Boris as PM
brown takign over from Blair was something the whole country had known about for years including the election that Tont Blair won bfore steppign down.

Brown had a significant working majority in the Commons and labour could legitimately claim to be the party elected by the country

Johnson - selected by a conservative cabal and then the wider but still minuscule (on national terms membership) and has not been democratically elected in any way at all and currently has a majority of one.
So brown was not elected but took over from a PM with a reasonable majority
Johnson has no majority and the Conservative party cannot claim to rule the country

but hey we cant have it put in the papers like that.

What can be put in the papers-ie the Express is Boris tells Uneclected Bureaucrats to back down, but Bureaucrats are not elected and not supposed to be elected, Boris on the other hand is is our PM , a position one is supposed to be elected to but he isnt and doesnt have a majority in the Commons . With headlines like that is it any surprise some people were mislead

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:52
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I’ve said it before, but I will repeat it - not only is the PM not required to resign after losing a vote of no confidence, but Parliamentary convention and the FTPA actual prohibit him from doing so.

I include a link below to the relevant HoC Public Administration report where they looked into the ramifications of the FTPA and quote paragraph 60. You will note the PM is required to remain in post until they can recommend to the Sovereign an “alternative person” to replace them.

If you read the full report the definition of an alternate person is someone who will be able to get enough votes in order to be able to form an administration - that is to be able to pass both a Queens Speech and a budget. Seeing as Labour have said they will not support a government of national unity, only a Corbyn led government, and that the LibDems have said they will not support a Corbyn government, the mathematics make that an impossibility.

Hence Boris will, both legally, logically and constitutionally, be required to stay in post after a vote of no confidence, until the clock runs down and an election ensues.

This ignores the alternate reason, which is that the wording of the FTPA makes it clear that the 14 days are, regardless, there to allow the incumbent time to try and restore their authority over their party and the House - which would be impossible if they had resigned.

https://publications.parliament.uk/p...dTextAnchor024

60.The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides the only means of bringing about an early general election. Outside the terms of the Act, if the House were to express no confidence in the Government, unless that authority could be restored, the Prime Minister would be expected to give notice that he or she will resign, but only when he or she is in a position to recommend to the Sovereign an alternative person to form a new administration. In the event that no alternative person can be found, it remains available to the House to bring about an early general election under section 2(1) of the Act.

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


The first link, Times, is an opinion, and hearsay. The second is the journalist making a headline because BJ did not answer a question. In no way did the PM state anything about refusing to resign. You can check the online video clip.

So, where is your factual evidence that the PM has stated he would refuse to resign? C'mon you are full of facts and have called many MPs out for spouting made up 'facts'. You detest all the lying Tory MPs.

Take your time!
Correct, I do detest all the lying Tory MP's and there's no shortage to choose from is there.

However, you seem more than resolutely adamant that, as Boris failed to give a direct answer, nothing new for Boris, then the media interpreted this as an indication he would refuse to leave after he failed, and he probably will given the antagonism towards him across the political spectrum, a "no confidence " vote this will not be the case.

There again, this resolute approach may not be entirely unrelated to that other favourite JB pastime...........having a go at a pinko lefty liberal Guardian reader...... such as me for example.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Correct, I do detest all the lying Tory MP's and there's no shortage to choose from is there.
So are you saying that you don't detest MP's from other political parties when they get caught lying?

Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
However, you seem more than resolutely adamant that, as Boris failed to give a direct answer, nothing new for Boris,
Nothing new for Boris?
It's nothing new for many MP's from all parties.
Just watch a few episodes of Question time or any interview where MP's get asked questions and in a great many cases, manage to talk for ages without actually answering the question that was asked.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:11
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
...........having a go at a pinko lefty liberal Guardian reader......
"Lefty" and "liberal" are contradictory terms and cannot be used together as adjectives to describe a person.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:22
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


Did not the present Queen dismiss Gough Whitlam?
It was the Governor General in the name of the Queen.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975...utional_crisis
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:32
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Correct, I do detest all the lying Tory MP's and there's no shortage to choose from is there.

However, you seem more than resolutely adamant that, as Boris failed to give a direct answer, nothing new for Boris, then the media interpreted this as an indication he would refuse to leave after he failed, and he probably will given the antagonism towards him across the political spectrum, a "no confidence " vote this will not be the case.

There again, this resolute approach may not be entirely unrelated to that other favourite JB pastime...........having a go at a pinko lefty liberal Guardian reader...... such as me for example.
You bring this on yourself. Why donít you just acknowledge your comment was incorrect, apologise, and leave it at that? It must seem to many posters here that you can never accept youíre incorrect. Youíd rather twist and turn like a worm on the end of hook rather than occasionally acknowledge youíre simply factually wrong on a particular point or other. Your political leanings donít really come into it. Iím trying to be helpful to you here.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
It was the Governor General in the name of the Queen.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975...utional_crisis
Thanks for the link. Interesting to read that they attempted to keep the Queen out of it, yet describe her as a Ďwily old birdí implying she knew what was going on.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Correct, I do detest all the lying Tory MP's and there's no shortage to choose from is there.

However, you seem more than resolutely adamant that, as Boris failed to give a direct answer, nothing new for Boris, then the media interpreted this as an indication he would refuse to leave after he failed, and he probably will given the antagonism towards him across the political spectrum, a "no confidence " vote this will not be the case.

There again, this resolute approach may not be entirely unrelated to that other favourite JB pastime...........having a go at a pinko lefty liberal Guardian reader...... such as me for example.
Not in the slightest. Most people on here have made comments about President Trump and his'lies'/fake news. Yet they are quite willing to do the same thing themselves. If you had put it was your opinion, then fine. We all have opinions.

You, particularly, are fond of finding fault with those people who read papers that can't be trusted to give the truth. Yet here you were with accepting a sensationalist headline through your sheer hatred of a Tory MP. You took it as read that it was true, because it suited your political view.

You then provided 2 links which did not back up your claim. Maybe you didn't read them, but expected that since you posted them, they were the gospel truth.

Finally, it could happen that is exactly what he does . As ORAC above explains, legally he has a right.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 21:19
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Comrade KnC will never accept that he is wrong.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 21:30
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Anyone want to take a guess at what time tomorrow morning K&C will post his first anti-Tory link?
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 04:38
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I could be wrong, it has been known albeit rarely ( modesty here please note,...............chaps ) but, there appears to be a certain antipathy towards the Guardian on here.

However, far more significantly, although there's been no public declaration, as yet, we await an announcement from the WHO as to the piety pandemic now rapidly emerging.

Boris, not yet elevated to Sainthood but for many clearly the shrines are already in place, has pledged some 20000 more police. The devil is in the detail here, because, carefully hidden in the recruitment are the infamous JB thought police.....we should have seen this coming really, with the increase in spelin an grammur pedantry, but it took the catalyst of Boris for them to emerge fully.

Also of note, and lets face it, with JR-M's zeal for regression clearly evident, the Ministry of Information has been quietly resurrected. The Ministry will doubtless ensure any media coverage of Boris conforms to stringent criteria and doesn't dare print news that would be negative to Boris.

And so to your much revered Guardian article to start your day over brekky......caution, does contain a reference to Boris not actually answering a certain question, directly, hence the churlish media ( various outlets are available but lets face it, when even "The Times " which has long taken prominence in gracing the Mess ante room coffee tables can resort to such seditious printing, the moral standards of the UK are truly in a vortex of despair ) stating wot we peasants calls "the bleedin obvious "
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 05:45
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Latest poll puts Con on 31%, Lab 22%, LD 21%, BXP 14% and Green 7%. Poll also shows 39% preference for Boris as PM, and rising. Electoral calculus predicts those figures to give a Con majority of 44 seats - and a BXP wipeout.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/968445...s-lead-labour/

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...ndary=2017base
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 06:01
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Latest poll puts Con on 31%, Lab 22%, LD 21%, BXP 14% and Green 7%. Poll also shows 39% preference for Boris as PM, and rising. Electoral calculus predicts those figures to give a Con majority of 44 seats - and a BXP wipeout.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/968445...s-lead-labour/

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...ndary=2017base
Sounds surprisingly like the polls before Mrs May announced the last election.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 06:10
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
"Lefty" and "liberal" are contradictory terms and cannot be used together as adjectives to describe a person.
Been to the States recently?

As those here so upset about newspapers and who didn't say what etc.....Stop suddenly trying to appear so darned precious about what is being claimed, and stop trying to appear naive and shocked by what KnC has posted...in fact stop being snowflakes.

If a PM has the option of sidestepping the FTPA and is able to use the rules to force an election on a date of his/her choosing then they are going to do it.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 06:36
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"Letie"/"Liberal"

I have tried to explain this one at least once before and I am sure that I will have to do so again.

Liberal politics is where the individual and the liberty of the individual is important. In economic terms it tends towards the liberty of the free market.

Left-wing politics tends towards socialism and communism, where the 'social entity' (society) or the commune are primary and the individual is subverted to being within that. Economic activity is constrained to within that perceived social entity or commune.

They are almost exact opposites. People who try to mix them as being in common are indicating their lack of understanding of basics in politics. (The USA being a prime example.)

The most liberal Prime Minister that Britain has had has probably been Thatcher with the promotion of the free market (as opposed to left-wing nationalisation) and the most liberal President that the USA has had has probably been Reagan with his desire to "get the government off the backs of the people".

However, the term "liberal" will continue to be abused by those who use it without understanding it.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 07:55
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More unfounded optimism for fiscal planning once we leave....... ..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-pms-pledges
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 08:34
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Anyone want to take a guess at what time tomorrow morning K&C will post his first anti-Tory link?
I bet you didn't even get close. I was out by a good hour.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
More unfounded optimism for fiscal planning once we leave....... ..
Well, that has to be a first for these pages. KnC finally admitting that the UK will be leaving...




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