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Old 1st Jan 2021, 09:32
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
Our Northern correspondent has fun posting his denigratory, grauniad links.
I think that every time he does, I'll post this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-economic-uk
The problem is that Larry Elliott while pointing out the undoubted failings in the UK economy in the last 50yrs, then just like all Brexiteers fails to highlight any potential gains for the UK outside the EU. The finance sector has been the best performing in recent years but even that has declined in the last 5 yrs, do we really expect big gains from the neighbours we have just turned our back on, it is much more likely that they will develop their own finance system even if they donít put barriers up to UK trade.
One of the prime reasons for leaving the EU was to avoid the latest banking regulations, was it the only reason?, are we to rely on dodgy cash from around the globe to fund our recovery?.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 09:34
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Ah, but...................that article would require some entrepreneurial behaviour, which the millionaire commentators at the Grauniad just would not like.
The author is probably correct, but might well end up being fired as he can see opportunities, rather than problems. That is not the Grauniad's style.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 09:36
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
Our Northern correspondent has fun posting his denigratory, grauniad links.
I think that every time he does, I'll post this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-economic-uk
I think you should, just to demonstrate that the Grauniad is capable of seeing both sides of the issue.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 09:45
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This is what the Grauniad really thinks...................

The Guardian view on Britain out of the EU: a treasure island for rentiers


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-for-rentiers

What's a rentier??

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Old 1st Jan 2021, 09:46
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Rentier Capitalism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rentier_capitalism
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:02
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
NLG: Your post is pretty much offensive; probably not only to ORAC but others too.
First, you ask if ORAC has worked for a company that has contributed to the Exchequer. ORAC, as far as I can see is not a company so your question was either not aimed at ORAC or was clumsily put together. Not so long ago, I was working in Saudi Arabia and lived on a camp populated mainly by BAE personnel. The BAE personnel were not paying UK taxes but the company was. Is this an example of what you were referring to? In my case, I was working for a Saudi company so neither I nor the company were paying into the Exchequer of the UK. However, I had paid tax & N.I. right up to retirement at 65, regardless of where I was working. The one exception to this was during my 4 years in Germany and the question of UK tax/N.I. didn't come into it due to the reciprocal agreements between the UK & Germany, via the EU.

So you think military service is some sort of abuse of the system? "Military people have screwed the UK"? I take it you haven't served in the armed forces? Let me enlighten you; the general feeling among a lot of the Forces is that the UK has screwed them, not the other way round.

And ORAC didn't destroy your work qualifications, nor those of anybody else. If you have real professional qualifications, nothing will change that. If it is mutual recognition of qualifications between the UK and EU that bothers you, perhaps you should look at yourself. There are avenues you can take to have your qualifications recognised. Note: They may need to be recognised by individual nations within the EU, not the EU itself. If your qualifications include the ability to use Google or Duckduckgo, then you can research this quite quickly. Although it could be argued that you have had 4 years to do this, it is never too late.

I am not writing this on behalf of ORAC, ORAC is quite capable of taking care of herself. I am also not writing this because I agree with ORAC's politics; we are on opposite sides of the political divide and, unless ORAC experiences a Damascene Moment, will always be. But there was no need for your vitriolic post and I think you should apologise to ORAC.
NLG has also posted the following on the Mil Aircrew

A few ground crew names from my first days in the air force in that list. Two WOs that were on my DE riggers course almost 37 years ago. Couple of people ex Coltishall as well. Well done all

Rather confusing considering the post you have quoted.



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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
What's a rentier??
Itís a large four-legged animal with antlers, used at this time of year to pull Santaís sleigh.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:34
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UK Drivers Donít Need International Licence

Hardly surprising, since I’ve driven all over the world without one let alone within Europe - but still nice to know...

British drivers will not require an international licence to enter European countries from today, the Transport Secretary has confirmed.

Last night Grant Shapps confirmed that the government had “secured agreement with all 27 EU member states to recognise UK licences without the need for an international driving permit (IDP)”.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:36
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This might seem like a small issue, but Brexit has finally allowed this iniquitous tax on sanitary products to be removed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55502252

HTF the EU could ever consider these products to be "non-essential", and so subject to VAT, is beyond me.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:37
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As an upside*, it's hardly going to move the needle far towards, 'like before', is it?

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* responding to the IDP post, not Veep's.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:47
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I think you should, just to demonstrate that the Grauniad is capable of seeing both sides of the issue.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:51
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Itís a large four-legged animal with antlers, used at this time of year to pull Santaís sleigh.


Good start to 2012!!

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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
This might seem like a small issue, but Brexit has finally allowed this iniquitous tax on sanitary products to be removed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55502252

HTF the EU could ever consider these products to be "non-essential", and so subject to VAT, is beyond me.
The minimun VAT rate for various products in the EU is 5% (mainly for simplicity and fraud prevention reasons). By making such silly statements you are giving Brexiteers a bad name.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 10:56
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Arggh my flux capacitor is defective, and I'm stuck in 2012. Now where's my sonic screwdriver?

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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
The minimun VAT rate for various products in the EU is 5% (mainly for simplicity and fraud prevention reasons). By making such silly statements you are giving Brexiteers a bad name.
How come that all the materials I used to build our house were zero rated for VAT, then?

On completion, I reclaimed thousands of pounds of VAT from HMRC, because houses and all the associated materials used to build them, don't attract VAT, whereas women's sanitary products do, albeit at 5%. If it was OK to zero rate materials for house building, then it should have been OK to zero rate women's sanitary products. The only reason the EU chose not to do this seems to be because, unlike materials for house building they took the view that women's sanitary products were not essential. Try telling that to any woman of child bearing age.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:03
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
Our Northern correspondent has fun posting his denigratory, grauniad links.
I think that every time he does, I'll post this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...it-economic-uk
It's always nice to expand peoples vocabulary, in this case, as already been said, with the word pragmatism ( we can only muse as to how you would have reacted when the Guardian printed articles by Gerry Adams for example ) given such pragmatism has long been a hallmark of the paper.

However, thereafter, well, there appears to be some confusion on your part. This refers to your inclusion of the word "denigratory " when referring to the Guardian, yet strangely no mention in the same context as those MSM outlets whose unstinting campaign and headlines were fallacies, downright lies, disinformation and histrionics purporting to be "journalism ". .....can we assume these met with your approval therefore.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:05
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
How come that all the materials I used to build our house were zero rated for VAT, then?

On completion, I reclaimed thousands of pounds of VAT from HMRC, because houses and all the associated materials used to build them, don't attract VAT, whereas women's sanitary products do, albeit at 5%. If it was OK to zero rate materials for house building, then it should have been OK to zero rate women's sanitary products. The only reason the EU chose not to do this seems to be because, unlike materials for house building they took the view that women's sanitary products were not essential. Try telling that to any woman of child bearing age.
HMRC reckons that an average British woman will save circa £40 due to the new VAT rate of 0%. Brexit so far resulted in circa of £200bn of lost earnings and wasted money. You can do the rest of the calculations.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:10
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
HMRC reckons that an average British woman will save circa £40 due to the new VAT rate of 0%. Brexit so far resulted in circa of £200bn of lost earnings and wasted money. You can do the rest of the calculations.
The amount isn't at issue, it was the principle that the EU, despite a long standing campaign to get this charged, stuck to their view that women's sanitary product's were "non-essential items". How on earth anyone can reach the conclusion that lengths of timber, cable, pipe etc used to build a house were "essential items" and hence free from any VAT at all, and yet women's sanitary products were not, is beyond me.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:16
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The amount isn't at issue, it was the principle that the EU, despite a long standing campaign to get this charged, stuck to their view that women's sanitary product's were "non-essential items". How on earth anyone can reach the conclusion that lengths of timber, cable, pipe etc used to build a house were "essential items" and hence free from any VAT at all, and yet women's sanitary products were not, is beyond me.
If it is such an important issue of principle England could have followed Scotlandís lead before the end of the transition period and made all womenís sanitary products completely free. Or it could have just been an expedient political statement to show the sunny uplands. I guess weíll never know.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:17
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The amount isn't at issue, it was the principle that the EU, despite a long standing campaign to get this charged, stuck to their view that women's sanitary product's were "non-essential items". How on earth anyone can reach the conclusion that lengths of timber, cable, pipe etc used to build a house were "essential items" and hence free from any VAT at all, and yet women's sanitary products were not, is beyond me.
And yet, support for the EU across the remaining member states has never been higher. Perhaps, the membership benefits outweight the equivalent of £40 per female's lifetime. Who knew..
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