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Old 5th Aug 2019, 11:48
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
What cars built in Britain^^?
many german, french, malaysian, indian, italian, japanese cars are built in the UK!!! For the british ones? I'll do a quick search!
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
many german, french, malaysian, indian, italian, japanese cars are built in the UK!!!
Thanks, alicopter.
I was meaning "will still be built in Britain".
As you know many cars are built in the UK today because it still is a part of the EU. When the time comes, Honda for instance won't be able to carry on, otherwise their cars will lose their "built in the EU" label.
Also, many parts (gearboxes etc.) are built elsewhere in Europe. They'll have to be imported into the UK in order to complete the cars, and building costs will raise accordingly.
Investment in car industry in Britain is down by 70% at the moment.
Things might not be so straightforward, after all.

Edit : some complementary info here
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...y-news/brexit/

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Old 5th Aug 2019, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
What cars built in Britain^^?


Jaguar:
F-type, XJ, XF, F-Pace and XE

Land Rover:
Range Rover Evoque, Range Rover, Range Rover Velar, Range Rover Sport & Land Rover Defender

Nissan:
Juke, Qashqai, Note and Leaf and Infiniti Q30

Mini
Mini, Mini Clubman and Mini Countryman

Toyota:
Auris, Auris hybrid and Avensis

Honda
Civic and CR-V

Vauxhall
Astra

Lotus:
Elise, Evora and Exige

Aston Martin:
DB9, Vantage, Rapide, Vanquish and DB11

Bentley:
Continental, Flying Spur and Mulsanne

Rolls Royce:
Ghost and Wraith

Quite a comprehensive range for UK customers to choose from that will be duty free. No need to rely on EU built cars if the EU doesn't want a deal.

alicopter, out of all of those, which are
Originally Posted by alicopter
german, french, malaysian, indian, italian
???

(Oh, and on that old one about cars being built outside the EU being sold in the EU and the 'complications' of cross-border components: We've has two VW Polos in the family that were built in South Africa, using German VW components and sold in the EU, so obviously it is done and can be done. Unless, of course, viewed from the eyes of a Remoaner Eeyore.)
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:00
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post

(Oh, and on that old one about cars being built outside the EU being sold in the EU and the 'complications' of cross-border components: We've has two VW Polos in the family that were built in South Africa, using German VW components and sold in the EU, so obviously it is done and can be done. Unless, of course, viewed from the eyes of a Remoaner Eeyore.)
Dear NoelEvans, please note that I am not a remainer. Nor a leaver for that matter.

The British car industry representative will appreciate your opinion, they are in deep need of solace...
BTW, how come Honda is in your list ?

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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:18
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The Mini Countryman is not built in the UK.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Dear NoelEvans, please note that I am not a remainer. Nor a leaver for that matter.

The British car industry representative will appreciate your opinion, they are in deep need of solace...
BTW, how come Honda is in your list ?
See what level of information we are dealing with??? Next they'll tell you RR is british.... like Morgan and Aston Martin!!!!! Well, actualy Jersey could be considered british???
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:29
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And Vauxhall have already stated if there is a no deal Brexit they will pull the Astra production out of the UK (and thatís only the most recent car manufacturer to make that statement, no deal Brexit = end of UK production)
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
The Mini Countryman is not built in the UK.
+1
BMW had the Countryman 1 built in Austria, and the Countryman 2 in Thailand.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 15:32
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Grrr

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And Vauxhall have already stated if there is a no deal Brexit they will pull the Astra production out of the UK (and that’s only the most recent car manufacturer to make that statement, no deal Brexit = end of UK production)

Not really a "will", more of a "may" ! More blackmail https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49146645
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by yotty View Post
Not really a "will", more of a "may" ! More blackmail https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49146645
I'm afraid that the "may" is in the eye of the beholder :

"Frankly I would prefer to put it [the Astra car] in Ellesmere Port, but if the conditions are bad and I cannot make it profitable, then I have to protect the rest of the company and I will not do it," Mr Tavares told the paper.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Dear NoelEvans, please note that I am not a remainer. Nor a leaver for that matter.

The British car industry representative will appreciate your opinion, they are in deep need of solace...
BTW, how come Honda is in your list ?
The main reason the GLOBAL car industry is being bought to its knees is two-fold:
  1. Over reliance on outdated tech
  2. too many cars being produced
As the car manu's come to terms with this they will inevitably target those plants with the highest cost base to close first, much of that comes down to the employment costs in that country, but totally admit the Brexit uncertainty (and No Deal threat) will be making a bad situation worse for UK car manu's. But dont kid yourself that Brexit is the overriding factor, because it really isnt.

If you wish to educate yourself on some of those broader macro-level trends try reading this - it reinforces some of the points I've been making in this thread:

German Car Industry Woes
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 20:57
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Yes the main reason the GLOBAL car industry is being pummelled is indeed for those reasons.

The main reason those GLOBAL car companies are pulling their investment out of the UK FIRST is purely down to Brexit. They may pull production out of other places. But the UK gets hammered first.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 20:58
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spot on andrewn! It rained today just after I had painted the wall, that was brexit's fault too!
I am looking to change my car but waiting for the new crop of PHEV / EQ models coming in 2020/1, how many others are like me, I suspect many.
I will certainly be buying British if possible, or British built.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 04:50
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As the subject of manufacturing has been mentioned, here's something to add to the demise .

For those who feel the defence budget is paramount, the last paragraph puts their insularity into perspective.....plus it will be interesting to see how that fragrant flower, Arlene, reacts .....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-for-business
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 07:27
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I travel between countries quite a bit and I have never had to go through any customs channel going out of a country, only going into a country. So what is an 'export customs regime'? Other than bloody-mindedness (and we all know which country that applies to) why should exports from the EU be affected from that end?

Surely being in the top 5 economies in the world falls into that category?
No, you won't have. neither have I. The issue I was addressing was related to cargo / freight; essentially commercial movement of goods. Going back into history (well the 1970s through to the early '90s) every single shipment leaving the UK had to have a C273 document completed, and that declaration included the commodity information, weights and most importantly value of the shipment. I guess this was so that the government could measure and subsequently publish the Balance of Payments figures that I recall the news media reported religiously, and they were invariably a deficit - we were (and still are) importing more in value than we exported. Since the advent of the Single Market and Customs Union requirements for completing export declarations have been limited to shipments to third (non EU) countries. I've been out of the freight industry for some years now, and don't know how exports decs. are done today, but be assured they'll still be done, and from the day we leave the EU (or leave Brexit transition) they'll be done for all EU destined shipments too. Dependent upon what arrangements are, or aren't put in place post Brexit, trucks leaving the UK may have to have some form of transit documentation checked as they leave the UK, could be worse, TIR Carnets (supposing they still exist) are an even longer procedure at the border (port) at exit. Even a short delay on passing through formalities at port or Eurotunnel will quickly build up. You only have to travel through the UK Border at the French Eurotunnel terminal and suffer a pedantic UK Border Agent who wants a chat and your life story instead of processing vehicles efficiently to see how quickly a short queue turns into congestion.

A bigger issue, and headache for trade may turn out to be delays in clearing EU arrivals through customs in UK. Pretty well all the clearance infrastructure has gone from Dover, and it totally non-existent at Eurotunnel, Folkestone. I think this is the really big worry for civil servants and business, especially those involved with perishables.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 09:33
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ORAC, I'll follow you in posting to both threads..

However, the former US treasury secretary, Larry Summers, said the UK was "delusional" if it believed it could secure a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate... it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that's when you strike the hardest bargain."
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 09:53
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Sallyann I note that was the FORMER US secretary. I know you want all to fail but why not look for the good news for a change
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US President Donald Trump has said talks about a "very substantial" trade deal with the UK are under way.

He said a bilateral post-Brexit deal could lead to a "three to four, five times" increase in current trade.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 09:59
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And you believe what Trump says?
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... but why not look for the good news for a change
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