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Old 16th Oct 2020, 14:57
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Ironic really, that BoJo seems incapable of even delivering the easiest no-deal in history. We're in good hands.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 15:01
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Oddly enough this announcement has had no discernible effect on the markets today. Either it was priced in already or the effect is masked by the bounce after yesterday‘s losses (esp. in Europe). I took these to be Covid related, but perhaps the word was already out.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 16:05
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Oddly enough this announcement has had no discernible effect on the markets today. Either it was priced in already or the effect is masked by the bounce after yesterday‘s losses (esp. in Europe). I took these to be Covid related, but perhaps the word was already out.
Or they just think it’s yet more Boris BS.....
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 16:11
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Ironic really, that BoJo seems incapable of even delivering the easiest no-deal in history. We're in good hands.
Is it just me who thinks he’s playing the hardline brexiteers, and as we get ever closer to this ‘cliff edge’ his hand will be ‘forced’ to concede to the ‘bullies in Brussels’..? Perhaps I’m just trying to find vain reasons for optimism, now being used to my expectations being progressively dumbed down in the last four years..
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Or they just think it’s yet more Boris BS.....
Oh I don‘t know. Listening to a discussion between various commentators on DLF a week ago, none thought he was bluffing.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 17:02
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Why would we need a deal if we will prosper mightily in any case?
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 17:03
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we'll take our ball(s)
News to me ... didn't think he and his band had any. Seems like he's intent on a car crash 'victory' ... with a UK newspaper predicting 2 days' delay (and 7000 vehicles queueing daily) to leave the UK from Dover. Air freight will need to recover or the UK will never manage to realise money from exporting goods.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:26
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It would seem that PM Johnson has decided now is the moment to emulate the on screen floppy haired PM portrayed by Hugh Grant and play it tough, reaching for the nuclear option of adopting the Somalia – EU form of trade agreement for the UK and its biggest trading partner.

From The Financial Times, via The Irish Times, 16th Oct 2020

In a dramatic televised clip, the UK’s prime minister said Britain would approach the prospect of leaving the EU without a trade deal – an “Australia-style” outcome – with “high hearts”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...deal-1.4382777

To quote Capt. Blackadder .... "Good luck everyone".

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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:32
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According to the BBC website, the Brexit talks are now over and the ERG have got their dream no deal. Sunlit uplands ahead and cheaper shoes according to JRM.

Now all that money can go to the NHS etc.

They were right, we just needed to believe.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:34
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Which is brilliant, because one doesn't exist. Australia has been negotiating a free trade agreement for the last two years but most of their trade is done on WTO Rules, which means we may as well have no deal as it's the same thing.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:40
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This comment was placed on the BBC Have Your Say on the Johnsonson statement about stopping trade talks with the EU. it is one of the funniest things I have read recently:-

The government have now started construction of their new theme park in Kent to promote their new gaming idea. The idea of the game is you hide your lorry among 7000 other lorries for 3 days and then see if you can find it again.

The game is called:

TRUCK AND TRACE.

PS. Don't forget to bring your Kent passport or you won't be allowed to play.
Credit to "Expat Bob"

It's worth looking at the comments as some of the replies are nearly as hilarious as the initial posting. it's just a shame it's so much more serious than that, and even more, a shame that Johnson has obviously decided to drop his bombshell on a "good day to bury bad news". I am emailing my Tory MP in our marginal constituency pointing out that my vote for him and his party is lost forthwith. I hope others do the same in this, and other marginal constituencies with Tory or Brexiteer leaning MPs and keep to their words.

Won't change anything except put a few toothless, in in the case of Darren Henry, honourable (?) member for Broxtowe, faceless out of their jobs by latest December 2024.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:49
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I cannot fathom why the European Union insists that its fishing fleets have the right to fish in another country's territorial waters.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 19:59
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I cannot fathom why the European Union insists that its fishing fleets have the right to fish in another country's territorial waters.
It's all part of the negotiation, and of course when, for 40+ years that has been the status quo, because the waters were essentially pooled you can perfectly well understand why they'd want to keep it that way.

I cannot fathom why the UK believes it should have all the benefits, but none of the costs of the EU without being a full member of it. The golf club analogy once again comes to mind. I also cannot understand why the UK government is prepared to sacrifice hundred of thousands of jobs at the altar of a few hundred commercial fishermen and women.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 20:11
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I cannot fathom why the European Union insists that its fishing fleets have the right to fish in another country's territorial waters.
Tbh FED, although we might disagree on much with respect to Brexit, I think this is one area where the UK is essentially right. However, who are you going to sell the fish to? Especially if it isn‘t even your fleet that is doing most of the fishing?
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 20:14
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Because they are bigger than the UK, School Bully Syndrome.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 21:18
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It would seem that PM Johnson has decided now is the moment to emulate the on screen floppy haired PM portrayed by Hugh Grant and play it tough
He’s just responding to the statement from the EU Council yesterday which, effectively, stated that the UK had to back down and presenting an ultimatum that talks could only continue if the UK would “comply to European demands for greater commitments on “level playing field” subsidy controls and fishing quotas”.

Barnier stated he and his team would come to London to await the British decision. The EU expectation that the government is bluffing and will, yet again, cave.

The UK negotiator, Lord Frost, has reportedly
responded by telling Mr Barnier there is no point in him coming to London unless he changes his approach.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 21:38
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Look at the three remaining major points of difference:

1. The EU want to continue to fish in our waters as though nothing has changed, because it benefits them and disadvantages the UK.

2. The EU want a "level playing field" which means that the UK agree in perpetuity to mirror any ridiculous legislation that they come up with. In other words, they fear us becoming more competitive.

3. The EU want their Court (ECJ), which is a political construct with a political objective, to adjudicate on any disagreements between the parties.

None of these demands is acceptable to an independent country. I challenge anyone to show an example of a free sovereign nation anywhere in the world voluntarily agreeing to such restrictions. These points of disagreement merely demonstrate that the EU is a colonial power, and has no intention of playing fair. It is better that we are out, and Boris - of whom I am no supporter - is right.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Flash Harry View Post
I think the Treaty of Canterbury prevent the French from stopping the operation of the Channel Tunnel.
As the buffoon Johnson appears to believe that he can break international treaties willy-nilly, what is to prevent the French from taking a leaf from Johnson's book and closing the tunnel?
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 22:26
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Other than parking tanks on the line ; how would they do that ?
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 22:48
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The French fisherman will do that with a couple of hundred cars parked on the slip road. Have you never used the tunnel? The Gilet Jaunes managed it two years ago, the gendarmes just directed traffic away. I was there trying to get back.
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