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Old 12th Oct 2020, 20:49
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I am really surprised that these talks are still ongoing. The Daily Express runs a headline about three times a week along the lines of " EU caves as Boris threatens to walk out". Boys and wolves come to mind.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 20:50
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Probably getting us free from the EU as soon as possible, then resigning as PM so someone else can sort the covid mess.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I am really surprised that these talks are still ongoing. The Daily Express runs a headline about three times a week along the lines of " EU caves as Boris threatens to walk out". Boys and wolves come to mind.
Given the recent performance of Mr Johnson's government any future deal with the EU (and pretty much everyone else) will contain clearly defined dispute resolution and sanction provisions.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 09:05
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From the BBC....

Agriculture bill: Bid to protect post-Brexit food standards rejected


Interesting comment on last nights "Dispatches " programme....seemingly the UK regs require additives to be proven to be safe before they are included...in contrast to which, across the pond, they are required to be proven to be dangerous before they are removed.

Also, the programme said US Gov't inspectors have been reduced in numbers, but, have conveniently been replaced by employees of food manufacturers .......always useful to have complete control of the quality when the product may fall well below standards expected elsewhere in the world to ensure the lucrative new revenue ( the UK .....for those who may be confused ) stream will provide the $$$bn profits without any inconvenient legislation to potentially negate these projections. .
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Also, the programme said US Gov't inspectors have been reduced in numbers, but, have conveniently been replaced by employees of food manufacturers ....
That worked out well for Boeing.

Industry self-regulation. What a lark. It isn‘t even as if they can assure their own interests without a little bit of firm guidance.

And then of course there was CJD - let‘s mush up the rest of the cow carcasses and introduce them into the food chain. Genius

Yet people sttll remain convinced that the “free market“ is some magical organic arbiter of all that there is on this earth.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
Given the recent performance of Mr Johnson's government any future deal with the EU (and pretty much everyone else) will contain clearly defined dispute resolution and sanction provisions.
Which would involve the European Court. That should go well.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 10:37
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I think that the most serious consequences of Brexit are now becoming apparent. And it has nothing to do with Withdrawal Agreements or the minutiae of legalistic procedures involved with leaving.

No, it's the quality of the government, or rather the lack of. All those involved have been chosen for their cleanliness regarding the project and, unsurprisingly, this has exposed fatal flaws in their intelligence and integrity.

Whether it's Patel, Williamson, Braverman, Dowden or indeed Bozza himself they have one thing in common. They fall short in terms of performance.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 11:21
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Which would involve the European Court. That should go well.
Yeah, but only as a backstop. Oh wait...

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Old 13th Oct 2020, 14:24
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They just can't help themselves! Just now we have had an announcement that 4 ferries have been given 77Million to ensure lorries can bring medicines etc across the Channel. Maybe someone should remind the government that they already have 4 RoRo vessels, built specifically to provide sea freight services for MoD (they did have 6 but flogged off 2 of them). Of the currently available 4, one is approaching Gibraltar, ex Southampton, one is parked at their base at Marchwood and the remaining two are anchored off the Isle of Wight at the west end of the Solent. Here is one of them, photographed a long time ago: Ship Photos, Container ships, tankers, cruise ships, bulkers, tugs etc
The cost of using these would be fuel, harbour dues etc only. The maintenance and crew costs are paid anyway. But, I can see the government's point: how else could they channel 77M into the pockets of their mates?
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 16:36
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
From the BBC....

Agriculture bill: Bid to protect post-Brexit food standards rejected


Interesting comment on last nights "Dispatches " programme....seemingly the UK regs require additives to be proven to be safe before they are included...in contrast to which, across the pond, they are required to be proven to be dangerous before they are removed.

Also, the programme said US Gov't inspectors have been reduced in numbers, but, have conveniently been replaced by employees of food manufacturers .......always useful to have complete control of the quality when the product may fall well below standards expected elsewhere in the world to ensure the lucrative new revenue ( the UK .....for those who may be confused ) stream will provide the $$$bn profits without any inconvenient legislation to potentially negate these projections. .
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Did not Boring do the same thing on 787 and Max, it has become some what endemic in US industry,
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 17:02
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Mum!!!

Are we there yet?
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 09:19
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Whether it's Patel, Williamson, Braverman, Dowden or indeed Bozza himself they have one thing in common. They fall short in terms of performance.
The other option offered at the last election though was the inspirational line up of Corbyn, McDonell, Abbott, Burgon, Rayner and Wrong-Daily...
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 09:49
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I received a new passport the other day with no mention of the EU on it.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:02
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Mum!!!

Are we there yet?
We arrived here six months ago. Sorry if it isn't what you were promised.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:09
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We arrived here six months ago. Sorry if it isn't what you were promised.
Well the brown smelly stuff is rapidly closing in on the spinning air circulation machine, and unless things change radically in the next couple of weeks will be spread far and wide on impact!
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:13
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Fishing is starting to look like a two edged sword about to come down on the UK. Either we don't get the fish and Boris loses or we do get the fish and the French fisherman carry out their latest threat to blockade Calais. If a few hundred vehicles drive onto the slip road to the tunnel and park up I do wonder just how keen the Gendamerie will be to move them on. They will go through the motions of course but it will be quite easy to perform a Gallic shrug and go off for an early Beaujolais.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:30
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I could almost, almost be sorry for Boris.

He could agree a deal tomorrow, and I'm sure he would love to make the necessary concessions. But the extreme Brexiters who made him PM would cut his throat before he could put pen to paper.

And he did so want the job...
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:41
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I could almost, almost be sorry for Boris....
Could I almost feel that? I'll try...........................

and try.................................

and try.........................

Nope; can't manage it.

The lying, posing, stupid buffoon is the creator of his own misfortune and deserves all he is going to get. The sooner the UK is shot of him the better, regardless of which lying, posing b*****d replaces him. The only potentially decent replacement sits opposite him in the Commons.

BoJo's career peaked playing the role of the bashful target of mockery from Ian Hislop and Paul Merton on Have I Got News For You. His record as London Mayor was abysmal (water-cannon, anyone?) and he nearly finished off the Spectator. It's only his innate sense of Etonian entitlement that's got him to where he is. The sooner he resumes his comedian's career the better.

Hang on, that's what ......................

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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:15
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I cannot help but think there has been some divine intervention on both Boris and Trump. Both wanted the top job through sheer vanity and expected an easy ride.

Brings to mind, "Careful what you wish for."
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Fishing is starting to look like a two edged sword about to come down on the UK. Either we don't get the fish and Boris loses or we do get the fish and the French fisherman carry out their latest threat to blockade Calais. If a few hundred vehicles drive onto the slip road to the tunnel and park up I do wonder just how keen the Gendamerie will be to move them on. They will go through the motions of course but it will be quite easy to perform a Gallic shrug and go off for an early Beaujolais.
Well, the interesting thing here is that, under EU law it is incumbent upon all member states to keep internal borders open. Snag is of course that the UK will finally cease to be a member of the EU in any shape or form of transition on 31st December at 23:59 (actually probably 22:59 cause EU stuff tends to work in CET) and therefore the French will have no obligation to keep the tunnel entrance, or Calais and Dunkerque ports running freely, so the scenario you describe could all too easily come to fruition. And since the Belgian and Dutch fishing fleets also have a vested interest in fishing UK waters the UK could to all intents and purposes be cut off from any of the short-sea routes to and from Europe. Thankfully, the Belgians, and particularly the Dutch are more likely to step in and sort things out than the Gauls!
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