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Old 10th Oct 2020, 09:35
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ORACs post 6100 maybe shows some common sense breaking out.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 09:40
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
ORACs post 6100 maybe shows some common sense breaking out.
Well at least it now refers to Brexit, unlike the initial (not) cut and pasted article!! How did she manage to do that without showing the post had been edited??

The common sense is required from the UK, since it is the UK that is leaving the "golf club" but still want the playing privileges of a member, but without paying the subs or adhering to the dress code.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 17:52
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Much of what we read or listen to regarding brexit is rather confusing, mainly because facts tend to be completely different depending on the agenda of those making their points. We know vaguely that we will be better off financially because we will not have to pay into the the fund, some may think that this is offset by the fact that we will/may not have a free trading agreement.
What is for certain is that as the second largest contributor to the EU funds the withdrawal of the UK will impact on the remaining countries within the EU, just how much is shown here

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Old 10th Oct 2020, 18:18
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Do I detect some reasoned argument at last?
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 18:21
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Much of what we read or listen to regarding brexit is rather confusing, mainly because facts tend to be completely different depending on the agenda of those making their points. We know vaguely that we will be better off financially because we will not have to pay into the the fund
I'm sure you're right, that is the one truly tangible benefit of the leaving the EU; but not, I fear, for the whole UK.

The UK used to pay it's annual subs, and some of that annual sub went into the regional fund that Brussels dealt out to poorer regions to assist in levelling things up. Now you can argue that the UK should have had the final say on where that money went, but be sure of one thing, had the UK government been dealing out the goodies projects outside London that got finance from the EU almost certainly wouldn't have if Westminster had got anything to do with it, simply because the UK is just too London-centric.

So, yes the UK as a unit may be financially better off, but those of us residing and working in the Midlands and North may well find themselves worse off.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 18:42
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ATNotts, I think you are gradually loosing the argument.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
Much of what we read or listen to regarding brexit is rather confusing, mainly because facts tend to be completely different depending on the agenda of those making their points. We know vaguely that we will be better off financially because we will not have to pay into the the fund, some may think that this is offset by the fact that we will/may not have a free trading agreement.
What is for certain is that as the second largest contributor to the EU funds the withdrawal of the UK will impact on the remaining countries within the EU, just how much is shown here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCWz...channel=UKnews
UK News 😂. Couldn’t even muster up a Brit to host the channel.

Informed? Well, if you like your journalism in the vein: “we visited a perfectly calm idyllic beach, but LOOK now 6 hours later: Someone has stolen the water!“

Brexit will cause all parties to have either an economic contraction or, in best case, reduced growth. This will be due to the reduced trade that will come from increased impediments to trade once the UK leaves the single market. This change will be worth more than the supposedly saved money from not contributing to the EU. The UK has a cat’s chance in hell of offsetting this with increased trade with other nations. The volume in trade with the EU dwarfs trade with other parties.

The UK joined the Common Market to be part of a huge trading zone. It is leaving for a variety of reasons, but it is not leaving to make money by being outside it. Believe that and you will fall for anything.

But its a free world and you are welcome to Be Leave.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 18:48
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I am not sure that is the case, covid seems to have put many plans on hold, but isn't there thoughts afoot to build very fast railway trains to the north, also bits of government are relocating to Yorkshire, plans for us to have the benefits of the House of Lords up here.

I remember that this was raised during the brexit debates and the Government pledged that all areas of the UK would continue to receive agricultural payments and subsidies directly rather than from the EU, I am very relaxed about this, and trust Westminster to support areas in the UK rather than Brussels, but fully accept that others may not. I am not going to speculate on what Boris Johnson may or may not do, but I have more faith in him than I do in the EU, especially with our money.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am very relaxed about this, and trust Westminster to support areas in the UK rather than Brussels
I picture a group of Derry men spitting their beer out and collapsing with laughter at your (other)worldliness.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
I picture a group of Derry men spitting their beer out and collapsing with laughter at your (other)worldliness.
They maybe re-assured that for Agriculture at least, the same amount of money is being spent and spending is devolved to the various national governments.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 20:52
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
ATNotts, I think you are gradually loosing the argument.
How so? Unlike Brexiteers I live in the real world, and it's an undeniable fact that if the UK isn't contributing to the EU pot in raw numbers we are better off.

The downside of the equation in terms of trade and regional funding paint a rather different picture.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
I am not sure that is the case, covid seems to have put many plans on hold, but isn't there thoughts afoot to build very fast railway trains to the north, also bits of government are relocating to Yorkshire, plans for us to have the benefits of the House of Lords up here.

I remember that this was raised during the brexit debates and the Government pledged that all areas of the UK would continue to receive agricultural payments and subsidies directly rather than from the EU, I am very relaxed about this, and trust Westminster to support areas in the UK rather than Brussels, but fully accept that others may not. I am not going to speculate on what Boris Johnson may or may not do, but I have more faith in him than I do in the EU, especially with our money.
Boris Johnson pledged. Not even funny anymore. How are those 40 new hospitals coming along?
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 07:39
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How are those 40 new hospitals coming along?
You cant build 40 new hospitals in less than a year. If you google it, the NHS website gives all the details. Don't be in such a hurry to condemn.

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Old 11th Oct 2020, 07:49
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
You cant build 40 new hospitals in less than a year. If you google it, the NHS website gives all the details. Don't be in such a hurry to condemn.
https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:05
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Come on rogerg - spin that article to support your 40 hospital "promise".
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:10
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That article is over twelve months old.

More uptodate list here giving hospitals involved and current status.

https://www.constructionenquirer.com...onfirmed-list/
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:50
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Come on wowzz, keep up!!
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 09:54
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
You cant build 40 new hospitals in less than a year. If you google it, the NHS website gives all the details. Don't be in such a hurry to condemn.
And you can't plan 40 new hospitals in less than a year either. The various local health authorities will have been working on their provision for many years. Whatever government is in power at the time they are completed will be claiming the credit for them.
Nothing whatever to do with Brexit.
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 18:46
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" T minus and counting ".....no need to wait until December then......Friday's headline " Boris frees UK from EUoke !" " EU's sorry now ! "
Taken from the BBC website : " Boris Johnson has been clear with the EU that the time left to get a post-Brexit trade deal in place is in "short supply", Downing Street says.

The prime minister has set a deadline of this Thursday, after which he has said the UK is ready to "walk away".
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Old 12th Oct 2020, 18:50
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" T minus and counting ".....no need to wait until December then......Friday's headline " Boris frees UK from EUoke !" " EU's sorry now ! "
Taken from the BBC website : " Boris Johnson has been clear with the EU that the time left to get a post-Brexit trade deal in place is in "short supply", Downing Street says.

The prime minister has set a deadline of this Thursday, after which he has said the UK is ready to "walk away".
Normally major trade deals take 6-8 years to agree and we only had 9 months. Not sure what BoJo is trying to achieve or prove.
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