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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 21:52
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Originally Posted by amc890 View Post
Good grief, do you mean the EU citizens will want UK goods?
Yes and all £300 billion could go through Ireland into the EU via the North. Can't see the EU standing for that for very long

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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 03:50
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I guess they could build a wall to stop it. Mexico will pay.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 08:11
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Originally Posted by amc890 View Post
I guess they could build a wall to stop it.
There's already an anti-tank ditch separating the Republic from the rest of the EU. There's no legal basis for an uninvited EU customs force on the inter-Irish border, and keeping foreign forces out of Ireland is long-standing English policy.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 08:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
IT WAS.
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To many remain voters I'm sure, but as well to some leave voters whom, I suspect, felt cocking up Northern Ireland was a price worth paying to achieve the Holy Grail. Many of them, I suspect, sit on the government benches, some in cabinet. Much as I'm no fan of N.I (and it being part of the UK) the people in the "British" sector have been well and truly shat on.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 08:45
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Brexit was only ever an English issue and it still is. As was said way back in this forum, England should have left the United Kingdom to solve all these and other issues and let the other nations remain in the EU.

Perhaps there is still time for England to go down the Passport to Pimlico route.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 10:04
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
Brexit was only ever an English issue and it still is. As was said way back in this forum, England should have left the United Kingdom to solve all these and other issues and let the other nations remain in the EU.

Perhaps there is still time for England to go down the Passport to Pimlico route.
As a Taff, I'm reassured that I won't be bent over and humped by the Brexit fallout. Phew, what a relief.

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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 10:12
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ATNotts and SallyAnn1234, how will the EU square Ireland's obligations in the GFA with the EU establishing border controls when Ireland were previously willing to compromise to avoid a hard border with NI?
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 10:14
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
ATNotts and SallyAnn1234, how will the EU square Ireland's obligations in the GFA with the EU establishing border controls when Ireland were previously willing to compromise to avoid a hard border with NI?
They can't, over riding factor is the external border of the EU, as the external border of the UK is to UK.

Had Theresa May's back-stop remained, then we would have been in less of a mess than we are now. But the ERG wanted to create a mess, and by applying UK exceptionalism and attitudes more reminiscent of they haver achieved their desired result.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 10:21
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I wonder what Ireland's economy will look like in 10 years time after they have been obliged to go to the "level playing field" of harmonised corporation tax? Do you think the American companies funding Ireland's economy will stay in Eire's fair isle when they could pay less in the UK.....
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 10:27
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
They can't, over riding factor is the external border of the EU, as the external border of the UK is to UK.

Had Theresa May's back-stop remained, then we would have been in less of a mess than we are now. But the ERG wanted to create a mess, and by applying UK exceptionalism and attitudes more reminiscent of they haver achieved their desired result.
And the ERG are still pushing for a total hard break with the EU.
Boris has his make-or-break video meeting this afternoon at which he could agree a deal once and for all, but he has the ERG knives poised behind his back. If he has any guts he will do the right thing for the country. Will he?
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And the ERG are still pushing for a total hard break with the EU.
I understand Sallyann that as a Remainer you consider leaving the EU in all respects to be a "total hard" break - but that's what I and many others voted for. There is no 'hokey cokey' position.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 11:34
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What I donít understand is why the DUP and the rest of NI canít see the advantages of the deal
They have free trade with the EU and free trade with mainland U.K.,
The only restriction is Mainland U.K. imports have to have paperwork and maybe tariffs to separate goods passing through into Eire, they are free into the North.
So itís a win win for the North trade wise, there is no people border at all. Itís just symbolism on the part of the DUP
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 11:44
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Originally Posted by Walnut View Post
What I donít understand is why the DUP and the rest of NI canít see the advantages of the deal
They have free trade with the EU and free trade with mainland U.K.,
The only restriction is Mainland U.K. imports have to have paperwork and maybe tariffs to separate goods passing through into Eire, they are free into the North.
So itís a win win for the North trade wise, there is no people border at all. Itís just symbolism on the part of the DUP
Symbolism is EVERYTHING in NI, isn't it? (Unfortunately)
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:12
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I think you will probably get your wish, for all the good it will do the country in the short /medium/long term. Small island on the edge of a big continent that makes little in comparison with its neighbours. Do not say look at Singapore as I have worked / lived there, and there is no way that the UK could become a Singapore. UK population is fundamentally different ie to a large part lazy and greedy in the emotional sense, and died in the wool on tradition (Bojo in a nutshell), and that will not change with Brexit.

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Unfortunately also true. Also it is the Unionist Party so hardmen and women to deal with, but I think NI will become part of Eire in the not too distant future regardless of them as they are a shrinking electorate.

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You are talking about Boris Johnson here aren't we ? Do the right thing for the country ? not with this Govt in this century unfortunately.

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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:13
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Well thereís only 3 solutions and they all piss off someone:

No border pisses off the Brexiteers
Border on the Irish mainland pisses off the Irish
Border in the Irish Sea pisses off Northern Unionists

Which group is going to be pissed off?
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:16
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With Boris he may achieve a hat trick who knows but I do not think anybody is going to get everything they want.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:17
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PBW - Absolutely correct - and not just there. The 'never mind the outcome, as long as we can show that we are Special', attitude has dogged both the debate and the resultant negotiations. 'Leaders' bedevilled by visions of past glories and failure to realise the true nature of our place in the International sphere of influence, were always going to lead to the present impasse. Lunatics and asylums, certainly but, (if their published locations are accurate) 'Rah-Rah' support for National lunacy from well beyond our borders!
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:21
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Originally Posted by sidevalve View Post
I understand Sallyann that as a Remainer you consider leaving the EU in all respects to be a "total hard" break - but that's what I and many others voted for. There is no 'hokey cokey' position.
Then why is the government still negotiating for something different ?
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:26
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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With Boris he may achieve a hat trick who knows but I do not think anybody is going to get everything they want.
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Well, Mr Mac, at least that would be a fair solution, showing how we in Blighty are prepared to go out of our way to treat everyone equally.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 12:40
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Then why is the government still negotiating for something different ?
I don't believe that they are.
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