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Old 1st Oct 2020, 06:53
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I honestly don't understand where all the complaints are coming from. British people (plus Commonwealth and some EU citizens) had 4 years to learn about tariffs, customs unions, free trade agreements, JITs, MFNs, rules of origin, NTBs, etc and despite that voted for someone who would not rule out WTO Brexit. This was done to free ourselves of EU shackles and unleash our potential.

And if those car plants close down, well tough luck and clearly they did not believe hard enough and we did not need those jobs and taxes anyway.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 08:25
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British people (plus Commonwealth and some EU citizens) had 4 years to learn about tariffs, customs unions, free trade agreements, JITs, MFNs, rules of origin, NTBs,
............ but this information was never clear or available or changed ... and sometimes one needs specialist knowledge of an industry or practices to be able to contextualise this information. Even for simple things it's not clear. After 4 years of no-one knowing, I only learned from HMGov that UK Wills made during the period of belonging to the EU would still be acceptable if the writer still lived in the EU because it was EU law that permitted the validity of UK-written wills to be accepted outside the UK but in the EU.

However, I still would be glad to know (for a dear friend) what the requirements will be in the following case .... she and her dogs will be coming to the UK for Christmas (WITH FULL 14 day quarantine!!!!) but that will take her into January for her return to France. The Pet Passport scheme ends on 31 December 2020 so what conditions will apply for the return journey? Advice from those in the know greatly appreciated.

And to say again .... the lack of transparency or any information about how Brexit will affect certain areas of the economy and UK citizens lives if they live abroad has been patchy if even available. But sadly IMHO typical of the leader of the UK Government and his band of cronies.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 09:03
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Alsacienne, would this link be of use for your friend, I have not read everything so not sure of the clarity of information within link:

https://www.gov.uk/bring-pet-to-uk/pet-passport

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Old 1st Oct 2020, 10:57
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According to news sources the EU has begun legal proceedings against the UK after it refused to ditch plans to override sections of its Brexit divorce deal.

How dare they or that's all part of our cunning plan?
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 11:10
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
According to news sources the EU has begun legal proceedings against the UK after it refused to ditch plans to override sections of its Brexit divorce deal.

How dare they or that's all part of our cunning plan?
Every contract that I ever signed contained dispute resolution procedures and adjudicator's details. Not sure why is anyone surprised.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 11:40
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Exrigger ... grateful and sincere thanks. I'll be reading the link very carefully and passing it on to her ... and try to help to get her reassured on this part of her plan ... assuming nothing changes here in the meantime!!! (I hear rumours of closing non-essential shops early before Christmas to avoid a COVID bounce during the holidays ... but that's really for another thread!)
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Big_D View Post
Every contract that I ever signed contained dispute resolution procedures and adjudicator's details. Not sure why is anyone surprised.
I think it will sit very nicely into the narrative of this is typical of the EU and that is why we left. There wasn't enough room on the side of the bus to explain legal aspects of contracts.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 12:07
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No problem Alsacienne, I just hope it remains current, is correct and works out for your friends travelling without any undue issues above and beyond what the process was before Brexit.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 12:25
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You can imagine Bojo reading a contract, you must have a good imagination All that legal malarkey just flin flan and waffle, lets get down to a common sense approach, we want this and you say we can not have it, and its not fair so I am going to tear up your contract and boo sucks to you Mr Johnny Foreigner !!
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 13:29
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Grayfly,it's not an uncommon tactic in EU legal dealings.

“Therefore this morning the commission have decided to send a letter of formal notice to the UK Government. This is the first step in an infringement procedure.”

The letter is the first step in a legal process that could result in a lawsuit at the European Court of Justice.

But it is a common tool the EU regularly use against member states – last year alone there were 800 open cases across member states.

A UK government spokesperson said: “We will respond to the letter in due course. We have clearly set out our reasons for introducing the measures related to the Northern Ireland Protocol.

"We need to create a legal safety net to protect the integrity of the UK’s internal market, ensure Ministers can always deliver on their obligations to Northern Ireland and protect the gains from the peace process.”
As demonstrated here, the EU itself is not exactly squeaky clean when it comes to obeying/complying with international law......
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 13:53
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Grayfly,it's not an uncommon tactic in EU legal dealings.
Not so much a “tactic“ as a method to respond to breaches of agreements LnS. More importantly, these formal responses to infringements whilst many, are not equal. The UK reneging on a key component of the Withdrawal Agreement is not a. n. other matter: It will be regarded as bad faith at a time when the country is supposed to be engaged in negotiations in areas concerning critical mutual interest and difference. If sovereignty means the right to break your word at will, the Union flag is going to look jaded and stained mighty soon.

Responding for the governement Sir Bill Cash came up with quite fatuous and frankly unbelievable arguments for a position that has no credibility. Lords Sumption, on the other hand, pointed out the obvious: Why make an agreement and then break it shortly afterward? It either means you were acting in bad faith or are inept. He gave the government the benefit of the doubt and tipped inept. How reassuring.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 16:31
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I still can't understand how they are going to avoid falling foul of the Good Friday Agreement, also legally binding and ratified.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 16:44
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I still can't understand how they are going to avoid falling foul of the Good Friday Agreement, also legally binding and ratified.
The GFA was pretty well sunk after the ERG kicked out Theresa May's back stop arrangements.

I fear Brexit will have some very serious and unintended consequences for the Island of Ireland.
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 17:48
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WB627 & ATNotts; the GFA is an exceptionally vague document which, with a bit of co-operation between the two sides, can still be the basis of a mutually acceptable agreement.
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 19:31
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
WB627 & ATNotts; the GFA is an exceptionally vague document which, with a bit of co-operation between the two sides, can still be the basis of a mutually acceptable agreement.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, but what happens when the EU demands the Irish put controls on the border to stop UK products flooding into the EU through Ireland?
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 19:35
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I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, but what happens when the EU demands the Irish put controls on the border to stop UK products flooding into the EU through Ireland?
Which is exactly what the EU will demand as the border becomes an EU external border. Should have been obvious to all, even back in 2016.


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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 20:36
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Good grief, do you mean the EU citizens will want UK goods?
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 20:46
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Can we live without Marmite, PG Tips, Yorkshire Tea, Marmalade and Cadbury's Dairy Milk?
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 21:26
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Which is exactly what the EU will demand as the border becomes an EU external border. Should have been obvious to all, even back in 2016.
IT WAS.
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 21:41
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Google says we export £300 billion to the EU. That's a lot of Marmite.
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