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Old 28th Sep 2020, 19:20
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Thanks for calling me a moron. Your attitude is one of the reasons I voted the way I did.
There were a number of reasons why someone would vote leave, not just the lies that Vote BREXIT peddled and I acknowledge and respect that. What I don't respect is the idiots, members of my family (the bedrooms lie) included, that fell for the blatant lies they were told and voted leave as a consequence.

If you voted for reasons other than the lies that were bandied about by Vote Brexit, then that is OK by me. Those that believed the lies were just morons and fuwits, especially my cousin and her family, who were told by many sane and rational people, it was complete bocks, that they would have to give up their spare bedroom to an EU migrant.

I hope you did not supported the lies that Vote Brexit peddled, to get the result you wanted.

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Old 28th Sep 2020, 19:47
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Moron might not be the most appropriate word but, it is a known and documented fact that the more educated you are the less likely you were to vote leave, the less educated you are, the most likely you were to vote leave.
Brexit voting and education | The Stats Guy
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...attainment-uk/
votes by social class and age band in the above link is quite interesting too... Not criticising or blaming the Leave voters, just a constat of the situation and frustration at seeing that ignorance, old and narrow minded people outnumber the young, educated and open minded ones... That's what democracy is all about so now, we have to live with it until the next U turn...
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 19:53
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
Moron might not be the most appropriate word but, it is a known and documented fact that the more educated you are the less likely you were to vote leave, the less educated you are, the most likely you were to vote leave.
Brexit voting and education | The Stats Guy
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...attainment-uk/
votes by social class and age band in the above link is quite interesting too... Not criticising or blaming the Leave voters, just a constat of the situation and frustration at seeing that ignorance, old and narrow minded people outnumber the young, educated and open minded ones... That's what democracy is all about so now, we have to live with it until the next U turn...

Not so sure about that my uncle has a double first from Cambridge and is a hard core Brexiter
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 20:00
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Not so sure about that my uncle has a double first from Cambridge and is a hard core Brexiter
Yes, but how old is he?
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by WB627 View Post
Yes, but how old is he?
About 70, but my father is 75 with a first and second from Cambridge and is very much a remainer as is my mother who is 78 with a first from Oxford (maybe that's why the marriage did not last) also my wife who has learning difficulties along with my dyslexic daughter and both sons one with sever learning difficulties, myself with only a collage education and my brother and his wife who are university educated are all hard core remain.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 20:27
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Moron might not be the most appropriate word but, it is a known and documented fact that the more educated you are the less likely you were to vote leave, the less educated you are, the most likely you were to vote leave.
As I am ex RAF, ATPL, 20000 hrs heavy jet, and I voted leave, how does that work?
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 20:34
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There were a number of reasons why someone would vote leave, not just the lies that Vote BREXIT peddled
Ideology springs to mind, but I am sure there are others, racism, my cousins husband springs to mind on that one, hence accepting the bedroom lie.
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 20:52
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
As I am ex RAF, ATPL, 20000 hrs heavy jet, and I voted leave, how does that work?
???? Then, may be, (but I might not be right as I do not have your impressive CV, being low hours on turbine helicopter!), you probably are one of the 26% with a degree who voted to leave? I never said every Leave voter was uneducated, I just provided and commented a chart...
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 21:10
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Moron might not be the most appropriate word but, it is a known and documented fact that the more educated you are the less likely you were to vote leave, the less educated you are, the most likely you were to vote leave.
Brexit voting and education | The Stats Guy
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...attainment-uk/
votes by social class and age band in the above link is quite interesting too... Not criticising or blaming the Leave voters, just a constat of the situation and frustration at seeing that ignorance, old and narrow minded people outnumber the young, educated and open minded ones... That's what democracy is all about so now, we have to live with it until the next U turn...
Somebody confusing educated and intelligent here?
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Old 28th Sep 2020, 23:13
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
As I am ex RAF, ATPL, 20000 hrs heavy jet, and I voted leave, how does that work?
I am from a working class background. There was no way a university education was ever on the cards for me due to the finances of my family. I chose to leave school at 16 with a handful of O-grades and joined the RAF. I trained as a technician earning a BTEC ONC in the process, served 15 years and left having attained the dizzy height of Corporal.

I will be 53 years old next month and I am a staunch Remainer.

Whilst I may not have darkened the door of a university (other than to attend my wife’s graduation as a medical doctor) I do understand enough about statistical probability to realize that just because I am statistically more likely to be a Brexit supporter, it does not mean that I am preordained to be one...




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Old 28th Sep 2020, 23:39
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I am from a working class background. There was no way a university education was ever on the cards for me due to the finances of my family. I chose to leave school at 16 with a handful of O-grades and joined the RAF. I trained as a technician
Same as me really except I went to Halton. Same background but opposite sides on Brexit. Just shows you cant generalise as so many want to do.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 01:58
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Originally Posted by rogerg View Post
Same as me really except I went to Halton. Same background but opposite sides on Brexit. Just shows you cant generalise as so many want to do.
I wonder if the split in Brexit/Remain amongst serving and ex-military reflects the referendum result or not. I suspect it may not.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 09:56
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I am a keen Brexiteer, also an ex Halton Apprentice. However as that was over half a century ago my Brexit tendencies might be age related rather than anything else.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 10:01
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Perhaps the split is emotion against intellect.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 10:04
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Which do you think supports Brexit?
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 10:26
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It would be interesting to know the thinking of those who still prefer Leave. I can easily understand how they got to 52% but I can also see how the roughly 15% swing in the other direction in the last four years has come about. So my question to those who still prefer Leave is this : Do you now accept that you chose the worse option taking into regard the generally poorer economic outcome of your choice? And secondly, if you do, what in your opinion is the main advantage(s) of that choice?

I ask this because, try as I might, I really cannot see any advantage now, apart from possibly if you are a currency speculator or hedge fund manager intending to use the impending chaos to make money.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 10:31
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As Halton is getting a mention, ex Halton and a passionate remainer. Actually, it was two Gov't funded holidays in Germany that opened my eyes and mind to mainland Europe.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 11:20
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In my case it was my post RAF experiences that made me more outward looking. A 5 year stint in Australia, followed by several years contracting.

Having experienced living and working in Germany, France, Luxembourg, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and Norway with no hindrance whatsoever I really cannot see any logical reason or practical advantage to pursuing Brexit.

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Old 29th Sep 2020, 11:32
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if you do, what in your opinion is the main advantage(s) of that choice?
I think the main advantage lies in the long term, I believe that GB is a very innovative country with a good workforce and that we will do just fine as an independent country. I too have worked in mainland Europe and at the time came to the conclusion that the EU and the Euro is unsustainable.
Dare I say it, it appears that at the moment we are told that the Government is powerless to stem the boat loads of uninvited visitors running up the beaches at Lydd, but after next January we might be in a position to change the situation.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 11:44
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
Dare I say it, it appears that at the moment we are told that the Government is powerless to stem the boat loads of uninvited visitors running up the beaches at Lydd, but after next January we might be in a position to change the situation.
That sounds interesting. What will change to stop them next year?
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