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Old 18th Feb 2020, 10:48
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And who watched the clip on the news last night of Boris escorting some inconsequential foreign lady into No10 before turning to the camera for his inevitable " thumbs up !" gesture....thankfully, there was no voice over from Bob Danvers-Walker " And here's our great PM showing us all once again that great Blighty Bulldog spirit as he prepares to put another foreigner in her place ! That's the way to show everybody Britain is booming again Boris ! "
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Nissan's latest thoughts on Brexit, like other Brexit related items from both sides of the debate there are the usual caveats of it might/maybe/could happen, only time will tell what will actually prove correct:

https://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/news/ni...ive-advantage/
The best thing Nissan have going for them in UK post Brexit is probably the Leaf. Given the UK government's plans to get rid of the internal combustion engine in new cars in fairly short order that could prove a big incentive to producing the next generation of all electric vehicles here. Otherwise, unless sales of Nissans in the EU are actually miniscule compared to the UK, then it's really hard to see any justification for closing EU plants and shift everything to the one nation major nation in Europe that is outside the EU. Not only that, but politically the relationship between Renault and Nissan together with the robust attitude of the French government to protecting their manufacturing base could make it very hard for Nissan to take such a radical decision. Much less so in the reverse given the UK's historical attitude towards our manufacturing base.

But, anything is possible. Problem is that until the 3rd quarter of this year nobody has a clue where we'll be on 1.1.21. Have we "got Brexit done" yet?? No!! Another of Boris' broken promises.
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 10:55
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That Nissan suggestion seems rather strange, since the majority of their UK production goes into the EU and in the absence of a suitable trade deal would face entry tariffs.

However one thing is sure - all the huffing and puffing and fudging has to stop very soon. Hard decisions will finally have to be made and lived with. 2020 really will be 'interesting times'

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 05:54
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I hate to quote the words of the unlamented deceased, but, for many across the UK, her infamous " Rejoice ! Rejoice ! " direct order will be uttered by many with today's headlines.

Coming soon to the UK, a joint Boris / Patel production with a cast of thousands " Xenophobia. ! ". There again, Boris did promise to "take back control " and what better way to demonstrate this than by keeping out as many useful members of society as possible. Not that immigrants actually contribute to the UK's societal development of course, perish the thought many of the British population should be exposed to an influx of cultures that may actually result in them questioning the veracity of the lies propagated by the right wing MSM, and, of course, Nige,

It's interesting however to note the sectors making the most noise here because, irrespective of nationality, they've long been notorious for paying workers the bare minimum

Somehow I don't see many Mail readers, and chaps on JB, donning a pair of designer marigolds to clean their cars or pick crops let alone tend to those in need of care.

Of course there is one benefit for the aforementioned demographic.......at least in the catering sector they will now be able to click their fingers in disdain whilst addressing the serving staff in their customary style of "You !, get me / us ( whatever is being ordered ) now ! " without having to worry about any language misunderstandings....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51554581
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
I hate to quote the words of the unlamented deceased, but, for many across the UK, her infamous " Rejoice ! Rejoice ! " direct order will be uttered by many with today's headlines.

Coming soon to the UK, a joint Boris / Patel production with a cast of thousands " Xenophobia. ! ". There again, Boris did promise to "take back control " and what better way to demonstrate this than by keeping out as many useful members of society as possible. Not that immigrants actually contribute to the UK's societal development of course, perish the thought many of the British population should be exposed to an influx of cultures that may actually result in them questioning the veracity of the lies propagated by the right wing MSM, and, of course, Nige,

It's interesting however to note the sectors making the most noise here because, irrespective of nationality, they've long been notorious for paying workers the bare minimum

Somehow I don't see many Mail readers, and chaps on JB, donning a pair of designer marigolds to clean their cars or pick crops let alone tend to those in need of care.

Of course there is one benefit for the aforementioned demographic.......at least in the catering sector they will now be able to click their fingers in disdain whilst addressing the serving staff in their customary style of "You !, get me / us ( whatever is being ordered ) now ! " without having to worry about any language misunderstandings....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51554581
I just hope the allegedly "long term sick" and just plain bone idle among the indigenous populations in towns like Boston and Spalding are prepared to take up the slack when it comes to harvesting and processing the UK's food since with these lunatic proposals coming from the government the agriculture industry simply isn't going to have the manpower to bring their produce in from the fields and to market. I suppose our school kids and students could use their autumn half term holiday to pick potatoes as they used to in days of yore, but can't imagine the the Children's Commissioner being too hot and that idea.

In another sector standby for the middle classes whinging as they see what they look upon as their inheritances being used to pay what will inevitably be care home fees that will increase even faster than do already (and I speak from experience there) as companies scramble to keep staff by hiking their admittedly meagre salaries.

This immigration policy hasn't been thought out, probably another ill thought out (supposing of course it's been thought out at all!) scheme from Cummings, and supported by focus groups who's reading matter comes largely from the Mail, Telegraph, Express and Sun.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 08:00
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It was interesting to hear David Davis proclaim on this morning's Today programme that this is all down to a Labour government losing control of immigration. He may be correct but what did all the successive Labour governments do about it in the year from 2010 to now? Oh! That's right, the post 2010 governments have all been Conservative. So, having had 10 years to put right a system that this party has decreed to be useless/broken/not fit for purpose etc, the government now has to recourse to pointing at the other kid in the room, proclaiming it was him what done it. Pathetic!
ATNotts: Your remark about spud picking came to my mind yesterday, when I was thinking about something totally unrelated. I found myself remembering how, as very young kids, we picked potatoes for a shilling a sack. So, if you picked a ton of potatoes, you could earn a quid. And probably back problems into the bargain! It didn't take the older boys long to point out to us that the farmer checked each sack by hefting it in his hands from the back of his cart. It was surprising how many spuds in those sacks looked remarkably like rocks!
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 08:42
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Sky had a lawyer from a company specialising in immigration on this morning who pointed out that the Conservative points based immigration proposal is, essentially, identical to that introduced by the Labour government in 2008. The only real difference being, obviously, that it applies worldwide, whilst the Labour system covered only those from outside the EU.

Listening to Diane Abbott pontificating on the 3vils of the proposal this morning I couldn’t help wondering if a trap was being laid for Labour. So tga5 they ca, in due course, ask why the rules were deemed suitable for immigrants from Africa, India etc, but outrageous if applied to the Spanish, French, Polish etc.......

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 10:16
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However did you manage this in the Times today, ORAC?

"The Dutch government has lured 140 companies to the Netherlands since the Brexit referendum... 78 of those had made the move last year. They are expected to deliver 4,200 jobs to the country and 375 in investment. The agency is in talks with 425 other businesses... "
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 10:34
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Business turnover. Win some, lose some.......





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Old 19th Feb 2020, 10:54
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:03
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Yes, having left the EU we will inevitably lose some companies where their business is EU orientated. But we are adding more than we lose from inward investment from outside the EU, and the overall unemployment rate continues to fall and the economy continues to grow faster than the EU average.

Fir every story if woe over the U.K. I can post of worse fir France or Germany etc. It means nothing, we are just throwing meaningless facts (custard pies) at each other.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:24
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Yes, having left the EU we will inevitably lose some companies where their business is EU orientated. But we are adding more than we lose from inward investment from outside the EU, and the overall unemployment rate continues to fall and the economy continues to grow faster than the EU average.

Fir every story if woe over the U.K. I can post of worse fir France or Germany etc. It means nothing, we are just throwing meaningless facts (custard pies) at each other.
That's a suitably dismissive introduction ORAC, after all, what's a few companies leaving the UK matter..unless you work for them that is.

But then you came to the matter of employment ......and would now be a good , or inconvenient, time to mention the record levels of household debt as well ?

It's a Guardian article, so the inevitable disdain is expected. Unfortunately, it makes sense. No doubt our newly promoted F/O will enlighten us, once Boris and "D,C" have approved and completed the script, on Mar 11th

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:53
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I’m sorry, is that Brexit related or should it be in the caterwauling on the U.K. Politics thread?

If anything the new immigration rules today should help reduce such contracts as, unable to import more cheap labour, companies have to offer full time employment to the pool already available - and increase wages. Of course that would imply an upside to Brexit so is inevitably a foul and darstardly idea....
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 13:05
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Im sorry, is that Brexit related or should it be in the caterwauling on the U.K. Politics thread?

If anything the new immigration rules today should help reduce such contracts as, unable to import more cheap labour, companies have to offer full time employment to the pool already available - and increase wages. Of course that would imply an upside to Brexit so is inevitably a foul and darstardly idea....
But to whom are they going to offer all this work. The 8m "economically inactive" (sounds as though the government view us plebs as akin a Borg collective (ref Star Trek) or an ants nest!) has already been comprehensively debunked this morning, the overwhelming majority being retired, looking after the family home, students or long term sick according to official figures from the ONS. Pretty Dim, or should it be Potty Patel glibly brushed that aside in a BBC radio interview today. I assume most of the economically inactive (of which I am not one) who frequent this forum would hardly wipe the @rses of people with dementia, or carry a hod of bricks, harvest strawberries, or work in a call centre. No, thought not, they are either retired or long term sick. Too many old [email protected] on here for them to be students!

One point I do agree with was made by Ian Duncan Smith (all three of them!) on The World At One today, and that is that UK employers have for years considered training someone else's job, as it impacts on their bottom line. I've worked for businesses like that, where the MD was more than happy to take on an apprentice, but then whinged like hell when they had to do some academic work (in work time) as part of their apprenticeship programme. If this new policy does one positive thing it may be that employers learn to value their employees, assist them with training and make some real effort to keep them in the business.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 13:21
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The construction industry has struggled for years to get labour from anywhere at any price. Boris will struggle to get anything, HS2, new hospitals built etc on time or on budget without access to enough labour, which there isn't, even now, unless, he gets his mates in China to build them...….. Ah! so that was what that meeting was about yesterday.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 13:54
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The black/grey economy thrives in Britain. A friend runs a small repair garage, he is nearing retirement and to be found in his workshop at all times of day and night. Consequently he attracts quite a few small time taxi drivers, many of them sub contracting to larger companies. It would appear that the wage for this job is around 4-5 an hour on average. But of course this won't appear anywhere in official figures because most of these people are under the radar. If labour is easily available at these rates then it will be impossible for anyone to pay the official minimum wage because the job just won't be viable at say 9
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I just hope the allegedly "long term sick" and just plain bone idle among the indigenous populations in towns like Boston and Spalding are prepared to take up the slack when it comes to harvesting and processing the UK's food since with these lunatic proposals coming from the government the agriculture industry simply isn't going to have the manpower to bring their produce in from the fields and to market.
Not a hope, years ago on East mids today, one problem highlighted was schools, schools get their funding based on pupils at the start of term, trouble was the figure changed come picking season by several fold all speaking different languages, but still had the same funding, they interviewed a man on his doorstep dressed in his finest vest and he was bemoaning the amount coming in taking jobs, asked if he would consider coming off the rock and roll and going picking as there were jobs available, noo... that was to much like hard work and far to lowly paid....
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Not a hope, years ago on East mids today, one problem highlighted was schools, schools get their funding based on pupils at the start of term, trouble was the figure changed come picking season by several fold, but still had the same funding, they interviewed a man on his doorstep dressed in his finest vest and he was bemoaning the amount coming in taking jobs, asked if he would consider coming off the rock and roll and going picking as there were jobs available, noo... that was to much like hard work and far to lowly paid....
The only way the idle are going to be forced down the road of replacing migrant workers in those low paid, back breaking jobs with long hours will be to dramatically cut the welfare state for those who won't take work, but given the new found electoral support in areas like the East Midlands and North, that ain't about to happen, unless of course Boris Johnson and his newfound mate Dominic Cummings want to lose big time in 2024.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 16:12
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The construction industry has struggled for years to get labour from anywhere at any price. Boris will struggle to get anything, HS2, new hospitals built etc on time or on budget without access to enough labour, which there isn't, even now, unless, he gets his mates in China to build them..... Ah! so that was what that meeting was about yesterday.
I suspect most in the construction industry will earn above the threshold and also meet the points requirement if there is a shortage of workers.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 17:41
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As the subject of training and apprenticeships was mentioned, the link below is worth a read.....

Then there's the priceless comment about attracting " the brightest and the best "...clearly she wasn't thinking of her Cabinet colleagues here...... which is fine, in theory, but has one small flaw. Having witnessed the treatment now being imposed on mere labourers....as the Gov't perceives them that is, there's going to be certain marked reluctance from those who do qualify to come to the UK. And you can't blame them really.....

The only hope for the future, apart from Boris finding a ditch / bulldozer big enough for two, is that there are now enough younger people from different generations who have experience of multi national / multi cultural working to form the groundswell for a return to the EU and the reintroduction of F.O.M




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