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Old 31st Jan 2020, 20:24
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I can never work out with these things whether it's a "Give them enough rope and let them hang themselves" thing going on. There was a clearly intellectually challenged ( in his day it was probably called ESN) publican from Kettering on TV wearing a Union Jack suit. As with most of them his attempt at explaining what he expected to gain from Brexit began and ended with " It's our sovereignty innit".
Icare: on a point of order I think it's a BMW Isetta.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Icare9 View Post
Pretty much sums up some of the muddled thinking in the UK
BBC showing a Heinkel bubble car with some chump driving it around waving massive Union Jacks - what's that about?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
That's actually a Trojan200 bubblecar, that was made here in the UK, (although it was manufactured by Trojan under licence from Heinkel). It was a part of the microcar boom that started after the Suez crisis. My first car was a Nobel 200, a slightly larger, but similarly powered, three wheeler.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 20:39
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Definitely a BMW Isetta. Note the large circular vent just in front of the rear wheel.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 20:46
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As a European and a non Brit I completely disagree with you. It was stated earlier. A huge portion of European citizens ask themselves the question what comes first. Nation or European and invariably European comes first. This is a question a Brit will never ask themselves.
What was stated earlier? I hope that you are not talking about the one Frenchman who said that he was European followed by French?

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 20:46
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Agree with E.M. I am sure it is indeed a BMW Isetta. Not only is the vent a clue, so are the big chrome bumper/bull bars at the front.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 21:15
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Thank you for a comprehensive and reasoned contribution.

Sadly, as I watch t'telly's introduction to "the momentous moment", the box continues to promote the Leave/Remain divisions, no doubt with a view to generating more "dynamic" programmes. For as long as these divisions are so publicly celebrated, we have no hope of attaining the cohesion so necessary to our future prosperity. Why must we continue with this continual (and boring) polarisation which is proving so destructive?
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 21:15
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It doesn't matter what the car is, stop confusing peoples dislike of the EU with your strange belief that they dislike all things European.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 21:30
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
It doesn't matter what the car is, stop confusing peoples dislike of the EU with your strange belief that they dislike all things European.

Spot on!

Like many who voted to leave, I was, and still am, a great fan of the concept of the Common Market. Again, like many others, my problem was never with Europe, or being European, it was being increasing governed by a group of fanatics who wished to create the United States of Europe by stealth.

We fought two wars for the freedom for our country, and other countries within Europe, to have the freedom to choose, and control, our own destiny. To have that freedom taken away by a largely unelected executive in the EU, intent on pursuing their own federalist agenda, was just wholly unacceptable to me.

I have no doubt at all that we will continue to work closely with, to collaborate with and trade with, our European friends. Let's not forget that one of the most iconic collaborative projects the UK has been involved with was Concorde, a project started long before the UK became part of what was to become the EU.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 21:35
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And so, to borrow from Chruchill, we reach the end of the beginning.

One hopes there is within HMGov serious minds working out the far more complex issues of the what it is the UK wants from its newly regained control and how it wants to align itself in the world.

Alas, so far, there is very little evidence of that in the last couple of days, no coherent message has been forthcoming from the politicans

It’s worth noting, as suggested by an article in The Atlantic, that while the UK has gained control by leaving the EU, it has lost influence by doing so and much of the control it will now exercise will be reactive as decision are made without it in the room rather than being proactive and being part of the decision making process.

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Gipsy Queen View Post
Icare9
For as long as these divisions are so publicly celebrated, we have no hope of attaining the cohesion so necessary to our future prosperity. Why must we continue with this continual (and boring) polarisation which is proving so destructive?
Because in the eyes of those who put the programmes together, it makes for "good television".<sigh!>
I tried listening to Radio 4 this evening but they'd concocted some dross that was clearly aimed at entertaining the mass. It's as though they don't trust us with the truth.. everything has to be dressed up as a sit com.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 22:02
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Well supposedly personal family history is now cause for moderation. What a load of horse dangle berries this website has become. Gentlemen and gentle ladies I bid you adieu
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 22:30
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Originally Posted by back to Boeing View Post
Well supposedly personal family history is now cause for moderation. What a load of horse dangle berries this website has become. Gentlemen and gentle ladies I bid you adieu
Bye now, don't let the door hit you on the arse.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 22:42
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Somebody, I think a Dane pointed out there are two types of countries in the EU. Those who are small countries and those who don't realise they are small countries.
On their own France, Germany, Spain and Italy have history but they are small countries in the scheme of things. But as part of the EU they have clout compared to China, Russia, USA, Japan, India.

Britain is now a small country off the coast of Europe with no friends but with delusions of grandeur. As important as Belgium.


How the mighty have fallen.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 23:05
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Well from a some what elevated position in Yorkshire I have just witnessed the Leave fire work celebration's, was it raining , it was not !! 27 individual notable fire works from a property with a view of excess of 30 miles - none event compared with 5th November or a good summer weather period for weddings !!. I loved listening to the Ode to Joy in Nuremburg that was recommended by a previous poster, and enjoyed through the eyes of the watcher the feeling they have of togetherness, which I fear has been split, going forward in the UK. I am really glad that my late Father, who strove to make nations closer together through his work did not witness this, having fought and witnessed the horrors of WW2 at first hand he would have been aghast at this and te rise of the extremes again. Also he would be ashamed that his sons generation let this happen, and as a result I personally feel extremely sad tonight, as I do feel I have let him, and them down. On the other hand with a Gin in hand, it has perhaps made me more European in that I now feel like a Guest worker in my native land, and more European than ever.

We had an after work drink for the company on Thursday in Munich, as many would be shuttling home on Friday, which happens with a multinational staff to commiserate the end of UK membership. I came away from that incredibly buoyed up, as I am lucky to have such a young and grown up and thoughtful staff. On the other hand as I told them, for me this is not the end, just the beginning of the end !!

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 23:11
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Big Ben has always had a nice tone.
Although they kept saying it wouldn't chime for the occasion
and I was expecting a recording of "Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead"
and one of those ELO style flashmob dances.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 23:29
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Steep, you'll find that Britain has many friends and size does not always matter.
Indeed, I'm one and it distresses me to be critical of a country and people I admire.

But I can't see a positive from this.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 23:30
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I made a point of not making too much noise when a few of us left our local tonight. We didn't want to disturb those poor souls who'd cried themselves to sleep...
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 02:29
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Now that we have left can this thread be closed??
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 04:56
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Woke up last night at 1100 pm to find my Continental quilt had stopped working. I’ve had to revert to a sheet and blankets.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 05:12
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Originally Posted by scr1 View Post
Now that we have left can this thread be closed??
Slight problem here.....we haven't left entirely.

You are probably far from alone on here, and in the real world, by being arrogantly dismissive about something called the transition period......all 11 months of it.

This is when , unlike previously, the UK simply tells the EU what we want and expect for the future , the EU capitulates without a murmur of dissent, trade deals which formerly took years to construct are completed in a matter of months, if not weeks or even days, ....and the electorate begin to see Boris's promises being exposed along with his domestic policies.

Not to worry too much this year though......you can all still go on your super JB hols to "the Continent " and please don't forget to take your plastic Union Jacks to wave in the faces of all those foreign types whom we have now shown our true British resolve to , and remind them at every opportunity, " of course, you do know we are British don't you ! ".

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-celebrations

Dutiful as ever to their dewy eyed readers expectations, the usual rags have kindly provided the inevitable headlines.......however, scroll down the link and read how the same rags greeted the UK's joining......before embarking on their various campaigns of malice and venom with the intent to achieve yesterdays seminal moment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51335251

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