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Old 31st Jan 2020, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Leavers are for the most part isolationists
Any proof in that? Considering the UK is opening out to the rest of the world, including the EU, that would prove your statement wrong.
Just because UK does not want to part of a (proposed) federalist Super state, does not mean isolationist.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 13:09
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Leavers are for the most part isolationists who hanker for the mythical "Good old days" of Empire.
What an arrogant and inaccurate assumption.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 13:39
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
Any proof in that? Considering the UK is opening out to the rest of the world, including the EU, that would prove your statement wrong.
Just because UK does not want to part of a (proposed) federalist Super state, does not mean isolationist.
In what way exactly, is the U.K. ďopening outĒ to the rest of the world?
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
Any proof in that? Considering the UK is opening out to the rest of the world, including the EU, that would prove your statement wrong.
Just because UK does not want to part of a (proposed) federalist Super state, does not mean isolationist.
Oh are we now. If the UK was being so open with the EU we wouldn't be so overly enthusiastic about curtailing Freedom of Movement ....a freedom millions have died for in Europe, have a look at any memorial, in any EU nation in this respect. !!

The UK's consummate arrogance and expectation of being in charge has lead us to today....when we can't get our own way, we simply have a fit of petulance . When it comes to insularity the British have this off to a fine art, because, as we are frequently told, we are an island nation.

And of course, we will be "taking back control " which means rapidly rescinding legislation which is often inconvenient for employers as it benefits employees, As you've only ever been in a sanitised environment, you have no idea as to how callous and indifferent employers can, and are, towards their employees invariably in the name of their own avaricious greed and profit.

" The debate's over, by tonight we'll have left, get over it ".

Priceless....a classic of the "just do as your told and don't you dare criticise or question matters " mould. .


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Old 31st Jan 2020, 15:08
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh are we now. If the UK was being so open with the EU we wouldn't be so overly enthusiastic about curtailing Freedom of Movement ....a freedom millions have died for in Europe, have a look at any memorial, in any EU nation in this respect. !!

The UK's consummate arrogance and expectation of being in charge has lead us to today....when we can't get our own way, we simply have a fit of petulance . When it comes to insularity the British have this off to a fine art, because, as we are frequently told, we are an island nation.

And of course, we will be "taking back control " which means rapidly rescinding legislation which is often inconvenient for employers as it benefits employees, As you've only ever been in a sanitised environment, you have no idea as to how callous and indifferent employers can, and are, towards their employees invariably in the name of their own avaricious greed and profit.

" The debate's over, by tonight we'll have left, get over it ".

Priceless....a classic of the "just do as your told and don't you dare criticise or question matters " mould. .

Except he's right, tonight we leave the EU (not Europe) and you'll have the same freedom of movement we had after the wars you mention that millions did for. The time has indeed come to stop whining and, like it or loathe it, put your energies into making it work. The reality is, that IS where we are.

On another point, we are, or will be, free to negotiate trade deals with who we want, when we want without worrying about needing to get the consent of the EU which are, after all, a non-elected club. And before you tell me you voted for your MEP, that's not the case, at least not in UK, we don't didn't vote for our MEPs, we voted for a party and they allocated a number of faceless people based on vote share. I've never known who my MEP was.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
If the UK was being so open with the EU we wouldn't be so overly enthusiastic about curtailing Freedom of Movement ....a freedom millions have died for in Europe, have a look at any memorial, in any EU nation in this respect. !!
Well KnC I have been looking at several war memorial inscriptions and not one of them mentions the people listed on them having died for "Freedom of Movement". A few mention that 'they gave up their lives so that we my live in freedom', but that, as I am sure even you are aware, is not the same thing as "Freedom of Movement" at all.

Can you please point us to some (since you say we can find it on "any" then there must be some out there somewhere) that do indeed go a tiny way to support your argument...
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 15:53
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Golfbanamajam, if I had wanted to read KnCs scribble rash I would not have blocked him. Please try and not quote him in full.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Golfbanamajam, if I had wanted to read KnCs scribble rash I would not have blocked him. Please try and not quote him in full.
At our stage of life you donít know what youíre missing. It might even make you laugh. He eats bratwurst in an up market establishment in Germany.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:25
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There are some in this country who fear that, in going into Europe, we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified".

So said the vile Ted Heath in January, 1973 and thus began the 47 years of plain lies and shameful chicanery employed by the establishment in seeking to extinguish a popular, if not always overt, dissenting view. I was one of the seventeen point something million who were conned into voting "yes" in the 1975 referendum and whilst I considered that to be the proper direction at the time, I and the bulk of those who voted similarly have spent the succeeding years regretting that decision.

We were hoodwinked by that group which in recent years has become identified as "Remainers" on innumerable occasions, starting with lulling the populace into the false belief that the "ever closer union" enshrined in the Treaty of Rome would never apply to the UK. After all, this was the EEC and we had entered into nothing more than a simple mercantile agreement. The great, good and politicians knew better but chose to keep the unpalatable to themselves. They were aided by the Single European Act of 1986 which removed national vetos and enabled these wretches to release the spectre of European Federalism which ultimately saw the downfall of the weak Major (who enthusiastically espoused the notion), lightweight wannabe Cameron and the useless Maybot. Sadly (and in my view, with a view to undermining democracy and national well-being), people like Heseltine, will refuse to accept the common will and continue in futile quasi-guerrilla actions which can only do harm. We need a common sense of purpose to realise the benefits that this unique opportunity presents, not petulant sulks from the likes of Gina Miller who, I gather, is reported to be mounting another offensive. I certainly find her actions offensive.

I shall be raising a glass at 23,00, thanking Margaret Tharcher and Nigel Farage who have been so instrumental in saving us from the bleakness of that gross distortion peddled by the EU as their new Jerusalem..

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:27
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Originally Posted by DON T View Post
At our stage of life you donít know what youíre missing. It might even make you laugh. He eats bratwurst in an up market establishment in Germany.
Agree about life but I have a pretty good idea of what I am missing and at my time of life time is increasingly short.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:29
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Originally Posted by sidevalve View Post
"The debate's over, by tonight we'll have left, get over it "
Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Priceless....a classic of the "just do as your told and don't you dare criticise or question matters " mould. .
Hardly - but the Electorate voted to Leave - the Government has implemented that decision and we'll be moving on in a few hours time.
You'll make yourself ill if you carry on like this. It's a fait accomplan as Del might have said..
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:30
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Can't we now all just agree to make the BEST job possible?
I voted to join the Common Market, however I think the UK did a great disservice to the Commonwealth by not negotiating a way in for Commonwealth produce when we joined.
We seemed only too happy to dump them and hop in with our neighbours, despite all the problems we've had with them over the years/centuries.

If we could do that almost 50 years ago, how about the EU now dealing with the UK on the best basis?

What if the UK said "We'll use the current EU standards as our BASIC level and do what we can to be better than that"?
The EU is making out that negotiating a Trade Deal is going to be hard, but as we have COMMON standards at present, all we say is that we'll use the current standards and where we fel necessary, we'll improve on them.
That cuts out much of the arguing (unless they want to be deliberately obstructive and prove what we suspected - that they aren't serious about dealing fairly with the UK) and leaves only the dickering over borders and tariffs, which again should be minimal from the current situation?

Why would anyone want/need to change? The same products will be the same products whether it's 31st January or 1st Feb, the only difference will be what trouble makers want it to be.

Now to re-establish the links with the Commonwealth, roll on having Canadian bacon, NZ lamb and whatever exports the Australians can spare - and help rebuiild the economy and businesses after the devastating fires.

As for the US and China, they are the two major economies at the moment and what one does the other automatically says its wrong, so if we start trade negotiations with both/either that needs to be borne in mind.
The future is what we, together, can make it.
Dump Project Fear, dump the Remain or Leave attitudes and just get on with making the economy strong so that others will want to trade with us, not make it look as if we're going round with a begging bowl, asking if we can sit in with them. Be Proud to be a United Kingdom.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Agree about life but I have a pretty good idea of what I am missing and at my time of life time is increasingly short.
Laughter makes you live longer and the ex RA F serviceman who we are talking about would be the talk of the Airmenís, Sgtís or Officerís Mess. The only thing correct about the name is Chip. Come on enjoy yourself heís hilarious. Unblock him.

It can only get better.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:47
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but the Electorate voted to Leave
Not all British passport holders/British Citizens were permitted to vote .... (see my previous posts)

Be Proud to be a United Kingdom.
Frankly I am ashamed of the behaviour of many of those living in the 'United Kingdom' over the last three years, particularly in the latter part of last year. If this is unity ......

After this evening I shall be grateful to be able to go about my everyday life without everyone I know asking me about Brexit. In the words of the Immortal Bard, "Parting is such sweet sorrow that I shall say goodnight till it be morrow".

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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:49
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At midnight tonight, Berlin time, apart from Spain, Sweden and a couple of islands in the Mediterranean, Europe will again resemble what it did in 1942.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-occupied_Europe
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:51
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Originally Posted by DON T View Post
Laughter makes you live longer and the ex RA F serviceman who we are talking about would be the talk of the Airmenís, Sgtís or Officerís Mess. The only thing correct about the name is Chip. Come on enjoy yourself heís hilarious. Unblock him.

It can only get better.
Tempted.

Slap.

No.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:54
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Tempted.

Slap.

No.
Ha Ha
I will keep you posted.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 16:59
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Out of curiosity to try to move the debate on. What exactly does ďmaking our own trade dealsĒ mean exactly. What exactly do you want from a trade deal that you havenít been able to get now. What part of being in the EU has been hampering the U.K. economy. Iím not looking for sound bites. What exactly do you, you the responder want that you couldnít and didnít have before. I am curious to see fine detail of what you want.
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
At midnight tonight, Berlin time, apart from Spain, Sweden and a couple of islands in the Mediterranean, Europe will again resemble what it did in 1942.
<snip>
Let's go living in the past...
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Old 31st Jan 2020, 17:10
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So, in the end De Gaulle was right. The UK is not a European country and does not want to be a European country.

Cue Flanders & Swann:"The English, the English, the English are best/I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest!"

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