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Old 26th Jan 2020, 02:26
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The Bild may well be a ‘rag’ but that is a national newspaper in a (the) significant EU nation making positive noises about Britain’s chances after Brexit. That is quite the development even if it is from a comic. After all, the majority of a nations’ citizens tend to get their news and opinions from such sources.

Obviously we will all need to wait and see where we stand in a few years.

The rogues gallery of Remainers are waiting with baited breath to say ‘I told you so’ if Brexit turns out to be the disaster they seem to want it to be.

I wonder if they will be so quick to say ‘I was wrong’ if it turns out just fine.

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 02:40
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After all, the majority of a nations’ citizens tend to get their news and opinions from such sources
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Nope. BILD is wat we call a “boulevard paper” that although it has political influence, it is definately not the main source of news. Unless you are talking of Kylie Jenners new boobies or Sylvie Meiss 18th millionaire husband. You could compare it to the Sun.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 03:13
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I was comparing it to the Sun. That was my point. Those same people who look at KJ’s appendages get their fix of ‘news’ and form their opinions from such sources.

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 05:12
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KnC As you well know all your ‘dishes’ come from a schnell imbess so sauerkraut may be a delicacy. Of course next week you’ll have to decide between a Big Mac, a Kebab or a Chinese/Indian followed by a Corona.
Alas, not entirely correct. Said dishes are also available in more palatial outlets , indeed one consumed currywurst in just such last time one was in Berlin. The chances of your first and second alternatives being consumed are zero. One studiously avoids junk and always has, but, I will admit to indulging in those Wimpey curly sausages with "V" cuts in them

Back to the future.

There are a number of headlines reflecting another thread on here, but, starting the week as no doubt the daily version will continue in its own emetic style, the Sunday Excess panders to the rags readers expectations.......although when it comes to trailblazing, c/o Boris, this is possibly almost correct. On the basis of a scorched earth policy as we leave the EU.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51252822

The future ...no roseate glasses involved....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-cartoon

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 05:17
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Bob, you said “the majority” of its citizens get their newsfix’ from such “news” outlets. Whilst that might be possible for the UK I strongly doubt that in Germany.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 05:50
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It is very possible that I was drawing comparisons that I am not qualified to make.

I was assuming, like Britain, that many of the ‘working classes’ take their news in bite size lumps from tabloid style media outlets.

If you say that is not the case in Germany then I believe you.

I still think it significant that a major news outlet from another major EU nation is publically stating that the UK won’t wither and die after Brexit.

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 06:21
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I would make a slightly different point: it's irrelevant where the majority get their news from. Despite the protestations of the current shower against " The Elite" they are in fact themselves that cohort. The collapse of the so called " red wall" has indeed delivered power to Johnson but quite how someone with the name De Pfeffel relates to the great unwashed I don't quite see. Quite simply it's a con and those who have delivered the majority will derive the best part of **** all for their trust in the charlatan.

Personally I see Brexit as a win/win. If it works all well and good I will quite happily share in the spoils. If, as I strongly suspect it goes horribly wrong I am insulated from the consequences and can say " I told you so". I know that doesn't make me sound like a very nice person but I didn't choose this route.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 06:50
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
It is very possible that I was drawing comparisons that I am not qualified to make.

I was assuming, like Britain, that many of the ‘working classes’ take their news in bite size lumps from tabloid style media outlets.

If you say that is not the case in Germany then I believe you.

I still think it significant that a major news outlet from another major EU nation is publically stating that the UK won’t wither and die after Brexit.

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no worries Bob. In fact, most of the (more serious main stream) media aren’t stating the UK will wither and die after Brexit. I am not saying the media is perfect (no way) but generally speaking they are not voicing opinions as strongly as some of UK media. Also Brexit is generally relegated to page 15 nowadays and it is not such a sensitive “black or white” case. Probably back on page one at the end of the month again . News is mostly on paperwork nuisances and other effect for businesses that do cross border trade and also on the financial cost of Brexit.

BILD (and some others) you read at the hairdresser and most people know to take it with a pinch of salt..
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 08:56
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You do know what Bild is I take it? It's the German version of The Sun and the name means " pictures" so called because it was aimed at those who were barely literate. Sort of fits doesn't it?
Absolutely.
Why does that matter?

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BILD (and some others) you read at the hairdresser and most people know to take it with a pinch of salt..
As ever, the remainers shoot the messenger while ignoring the message...

according to the International Monetary Fund, Britain will be the fastest-growing G7 economy in Europe over the next two years.
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the Confederation of British Industry reported the biggest surge in confidence on record among manufacturers, with companies planning to ramp- up investment.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:26
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Research published in December 2019 by the Centre for Economic Policy Research, a UK based academic body comprising some 1,300 researchers across the UK and Europe, looking into the financial impact of the Brexit vote (not the UK leaving the EU, just the fallout of the decision to leave) on consumer prices has found

the Brexit vote increased consumer prices by 2.9 percent, costing the average household £870 per year. The increase in the cost of living is evenly shared across the income distribution, but differs substantially across regions.
https://cepr.org/active/publications...php?dpno=14176

Given tha the UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) puts average (median) household income in FY2019 at £29,400, having increased by just 0.7% between 2017 and 2019, households in the UK are feeling the effect of the decision to leave the EU via the market forces acting on Sterling.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...019provisional

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 14:03
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...alks-j0s6p0jgk

Britain will use high tariff threat to ramp up pressure in trade talks

Boris Johnson is preparing to use the threat of high tariffs to put pressure on the EU, US and other nations to strike trade deals with Britain.

The move is designed to put pressure on the EU to agree to a complete tariff and quota-free trade agreement without forcing the UK to follow Brussels’ rules. Ministers point out that the EU exports £94 billion more goods to the UK than the UK exports to the EU. They believe that European member states will put pressure on Brussels negotiators to conclude a deal to prevent damage to their own economies......
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Someone should point out to Boris that the EU consists of 27 countries. So of course the EU exports more goods to the UK. Any attempt at tariffs will be spread over those 27 and will have little impact on most.

Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 17:37
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Someone should point out to Boris that the EU consists of 27 countries. So of course the EU exports more goods to the UK. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.
Mmmmmmh, please explain why Ireland, France, Italy, Denmark, Estonia, Austria, Finland, Sweden and Germany are net exporters within Europe as when each is taken in isolation, there are still 26 other countries.


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Old 26th Jan 2020, 19:32
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Mmmmmmh, please explain why Ireland, France, Italy, Denmark, Estonia, Austria, Finland, Sweden and Germany are net exporters within Europe as when each is taken in isolation, there are still 26 other countries.
Yes, all the EU member states record and report their levels of trade with each other, however, the situation for the UK in now unique.

All the EU members except the UK are remaining within the Customs Union and the Single Market, and as part of the EU, negotiate deals with third countries, which the UK is about to become, as a single bloc, ergo, the trade flows between the UK and EU as a whole are relevant.

It’s been long understood that the UK has been attempting to “peel off” individual EU members during the first phase of the withdrawal negotiations, highlighting individual country and industry exports to the UK, in an attempt to move negotiations in the UK's favour. So far this has yeilded little to no success.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8428826.html

It seems the UK had also hoped to use the land border in Ireland as a bargaining chip, that too failed, however, having agreed to an “Ireland Protocol” in the Withdrawal Agreement, HMGov may now be looking to drag their feet/roll back on their obligaitons in order to, one assumes, put the border back onto the table.
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/...rish-protocol/

Perfidious Albion is alive and well.

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Old 27th Jan 2020, 05:10
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Before the "celebrations " commence....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ne-day-cartoon
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 22:09
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Michel Barnier has given a speech at Queen's University, Belfast

During his speech, Mr Barnier was clear that there would be regulatory checks at Northern Ireland’s ports and airports for goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain. “The UK has chosen to become a third country, to leave the single market and the customs union,” he said.“It has chosen to create two regulatory spaces. This makes frictionless trade impossible. It makes checks indispensable. We will need sanitary and phyto-sanitary checks on food products and live animals.”

The British prime minister, Boris Johnson, has promised “unfettered access” for goods moving to and from Northern Ireland and Great Britain post-Brexit.

Asked by reporters about this apparent contradiction, Mr Barnier stressed that the Withdrawal Agreement was a legal text which must be implemented precisely and in its entirety. As the UK prepares to leave the EU, Mr Barnier said that “a new clock is ticking”.

“Negotiating the future partnership between the EU and the UK is another huge challenge,” he said, describing the 11-month window committed to by Mr Johnson to reach a deal as “extremely short”.

Mr Barnier said the UK could not “expect high-quality access to our single market if it insists on competing on state aid, social or environmental standards”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...orth-1.4153307

The EU has previously approved a guarantee that Northern Ireland would again be an EU member as part of a united Ireland.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 05:07
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Just think, for years we were all solemnly told the threat to the UK was from cans of instant sunshine . However, and leaving aside her own contribution, the rabid unlamented deceased actually made a prescient statement with her infamous "enemy within " utterance.

Step forward then, the most destructive force in the UK's history, one N.Farage.

This interview contains, not unexpectedly, Nige talking about his three favourite topics....himself, leaving the EU and immigration as it contains shots of the demeaning poster about immigrants. Anyway, very soon the UK won't have to worry about such utterly gharstly people,............. unless they've got a lot of money of course .

https://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-...xit-came-about

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Old 28th Jan 2020, 08:15
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I think that we should wait before condemning the outcome of this particular escapade. Personally I don't think that it will be too long before us prophets of doom have some proper meat to get our teeth into. I have no doubt that it will be portrayed as the beastly EU taking revenge but this hasn't really been thought through to the extent that such a massive change of economic direction should have been.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 08:29
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EM, I sincerely hope the meat is too tough.

Not read the papers yet, but what happened to the markets yesterday?
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
.. the rabid unlamented deceased..
Even for you, this is an unworthy comment.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:35
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Even for you, this is an unworthy comment.
is that yet another reference to Lady Thatcher?

A square of concrete has appeared in the centre of Grantham. I think it might be for the plinth for her statue.
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