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Old 24th Jan 2020, 20:05
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51244126

Brexit: Boris Johnson signs withdrawal agreement in Downing Street

Boris Johnson has signed the Brexit withdrawal agreement in Downing Street.

The prime minister hailed a "fantastic moment" for the country after he put his name to the historic agreement, which paves the way for the UK's exit from the European Union next Friday. He said he hoped it would "bring to an end far too many years of argument and division".

Earlier on Friday, European leaders signed the document in Brussels, before it was transported to London by train.....
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 06:44
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...alks-j0s6p0jgk

Britain will use high tariff threat to ramp up pressure in trade talks

Boris Johnson is preparing to use the threat of high tariffs to put pressure on the EU, US and other nations to strike trade deals with Britain.

The Times understands that the prime minister and cabinet ministers discussed using tariffs as “leverage” in an effort to accelerate trade negotiations at a meeting this week. The tariffs could result in taxes of 30 per cent on some types of French cheese and 10 per cent on German cars. Ministers agreed at a meeting of the EU exit strategy (XS) committee on Thursday that the tariffs should be put out for consultation.

The move is designed to put pressure on the EU to agree to a complete tariff and quota-free trade agreement without forcing the UK to follow Brussels’ rules. Ministers point out that the EU exports £94 billion more goods to the UK than the UK exports to the EU. They believe that European member states will put pressure on Brussels negotiators to conclude a deal to prevent damage to their own economies......

Under proposals discussed by ministers the UK would largely mirror the EU’s tariff schedule, which sets out the import taxes that must be paid on all goods coming into the bloc from countries with which Brussels does not have a comprehensive trade agreement. The UK is obliged to publish such a tariff schedule and lodge it at the World Trade Organisation.......

The XS committee will meet again on Thursday to discuss details of the negotiations, such as how flexible the UK is prepared to be on agricultural products........



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Old 25th Jan 2020, 07:50
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Today's Telegraph ( always approved reading ) has a photo of a smug, gloating Boris fizzog on the front page about to sign away the UK's future. Hopefully, when matter deteriorate, we will be treated to a similar photo showing him signing his resignation letter.

In the meantime, as the "great day " approaches, many will wish to celebrate appropriately . No doubt some on here, and those in the not so real world outside, have already stocked up. Here's some helpful suggestions to ensure your regression fetish gets off to a top hole, true to Blighty start.....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk...=1579941476953

I have yet to decide whether to have halbe hanchen, with fries and real German mayo, currywurst or zigeunerwurst, with appropriate German beer .....

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 08:04
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In the meantime, as the "great day " approaches, many will wish to celebrate appropriately
Our appropriate celebration......making sure we're out of this pathetic, petty little country, sadly just on a temporary basis. The time of our short trip was no accident, but a conscious decision not to be here for the jingoistic "celebration" that the UK Government and sections of the media will undoubtedly want to turn it into.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 08:12
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I wonder how a 10% tariff on German cars would actually work out. There is already keen competition between 'British ' cars and German. Would the German dealerships up their prices by 10%, not a lot really, or suck it up and bear the costs?

Win for the Exchequer, pain for the dealers, no loss to Germany.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Once again it appears that it needs to be mentioned that the UK is not negotiating any new trade deals with the EU, it is merely negotiating under what terms existing trade is going to continue to be conducted, and that is not the same, in any way shape or form, as what would be required for negotiating new trade deals from scratch.
Forgive me, I was suggesting it's going to take 20 years to get a trade deal with the UK, I was highlighting how the South American countries were aligning their regulations with the EU - just so they can sell us chickens, which aren't infected.
But it does demonstrate some of the strange decisions the EU makes at the cost of it's own members. Bit like lending Ford money to move manufacturing to Turkey etc.

Boris has to play hardball. It's the only way - how is another completely different matter. You don't walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman how much you have to spend.
German car manufacturers (amongst others) have profited handsomely from the EU and I'm sure they wouldn't want to risk one of their bigger markets.
10% would certainly hurt in my opinion - but surely the EU would do the same to cars manufactured here? With all the risks that entails I can't see it happening and I'll imagine that the status quo will be the most likely outcome.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 09:10
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As Trump has found with China, trade wars never benefit anyone.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 11:30
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[QUOTE=Boris has to play hardball. It's the only way .[/QUOTE]

BoJo couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. "Play hardball"? Are you kidding? He's never had to negotiate with equals who hold a stronger hand. There is nothing in his background that would have given him any knowledge or experience of deciding the outcome you want to achieve, and negotiating towards it.

His famous deal with the EU wasn't negotiated; the EU said that if he agreed to a border down the Irish Sea they would sign the deal, so he did just that, and simultaneously set in motion the process of handing the 6 counties to the Republic of Ireland. Which may or nay not be a good thing, but he probably didn't intend to do that.

One by one, all his extravagant promises and assertions will unravel as he discovers that bluster, empty threats, fatuous slogans and a merry quip or two don't cut it with the EU Commission.

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 13:19
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I take it though he won't be the one negotiating. Lets word it as "he has to instruct the negotiating team" . Now really all he's done is take May's useless deal and sprinkle Boris dust on it - et voila, a much better deal. Not.
Time will tell, but like Sally says, a trade war won't help anyone, nor will punitive one sided deals.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 14:08
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
As Trump has found with China, trade wars never benefit anyone.
Has he found out? He still seems pretty keen on them if his threats against France are anything to go by. Sad thing is that in the face of the bully Trump (and greater USA) Macron has capitulated. Some people make make unfortunate comparisons with France and bullies in previous times. Me, I'd rather not "mention the war"!
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I wonder how a 10% tariff on German cars would actually work out. There is already keen competition between 'British ' cars and German. Would the German dealerships up their prices by 10%, not a lot really, or suck it up and bear the costs?

Win for the Exchequer, pain for the dealers, no loss to Germany.
it used to be that there was about 15% profit margin n new cars, so at least in theory it would be possible to absorb the tariff. However in the past decade or so competition has been so intense that very few dealerships manage to retain even half their profit. A local Peugeot dealer told me that he has sold new cars for as little as £80. A method I found very effective for gaining the biggest discount was to go to a dealer out of my area so they knew it was a deal they wouldn't be getting anyway. I recently negotiated almost all the 15% for a customer on a new Skoda.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 14:59
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As I have said before, a tariff on cars will make no difference. Almost 90%* of the cars sold in the UK are on lease, personal finance etc. Do you really think it makes any difference if somebody pays £450 or £490 per month?

As long as the image is kept high and people can move from credit card to credit card then a tariff on a car will hardly be noticeable.

* That figure is from the local dealership.
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Price always makes a difference. Certainly a 10% hike in monthly payments will be sure to. It's a basic tenet of market economics. Have you noticed how often monthly payments tend to be £299 or £399. There is a reason for that £329 and £439 seems like a lot more.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 15:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Today's Telegraph ( always approved reading ) has a photo of a smug, gloating Boris fizzog on the front page about to sign away the UK's future. Hopefully, when matter deteriorate, we will be treated to a similar photo showing him signing his resignation letter.

In the meantime, as the "great day " approaches, many will wish to celebrate appropriately . No doubt some on here, and those in the not so real world outside, have already stocked up. Here's some helpful suggestions to ensure your regression fetish gets off to a top hole, true to Blighty start.....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk...=1579941476953

I have yet to decide whether to have halbe hanchen, with fries and real German mayo, currywurst or zigeunerwurst, with appropriate German beer .....
May I suggest Sauerkraut as an alternative.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 15:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Has he found out? He still seems pretty keen on them if his threats against France are anything to go by. Sad thing is that in the face of the bully Trump (and greater USA) Macron has capitulated. Some people make make unfortunate comparisons with France and bullies in previous times. Me, I'd rather not "mention the war"!
Let's be open about this. The word you were avoiding is appeasement.
It will be interesting to see whether Boris follows Chamberlain or Churchill.
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It will be interesting to see whether Boris follows Chamberlain, Churchill, or Coco the Clown.

My money's on Option 3.

By the way............. "Lets word it as "he has to instruct the negotiating team"

No; his role is to lead the negotiating team, make sure that everyone understands the strategy, if there is one, and make the final decisions on that strategy, if there is one.

I couldn't not laugh as I wrote that. I was picturing BoJo trying to do just that.
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May I suggest Sauerkraut as an alternative.
Very good, I like that although as I'm sure you are aware it doesn't really compliment any of the dishes I am contemplating.

Some in the UK will be gorging themselves on extra helpings of spotted dick of course......there being plenty available.
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Very good, I like that although as I'm sure you are aware it doesn't really compliment any of the dishes I am contemplating.
KnC As you well know all your ‘dishes’ come from a schnell imbess so sauerkraut may be a delicacy. Of course next week you’ll have to decide between a Big Mac, a Kebab or a Chinese/Indian followed by a Corona.
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KnC can avert his gaze as this report is in the DM.
The autheor is a real person, Bild is a real publication, and the thrust of the comments tie with what friends in Germany tell me...
BILD


In Germany, fears are growing that the ship of Europe is sailing troubled waters. Soon it could be dashed on the rocks.

Why the anxiety? The looming impact of Brexit, as politicians and policy-makers across the continent begin to recognise that Britain's departure represents a daunting challenge to the European project.

At times it feels like cocktail hour aboard the Titanic, with the iceberg looming on the horizon.

It wasn't meant to be like this.

For years, EU leaders have insisted that Brexit would be a disaster for Britain, leaving your country hopelessly isolated.

According to the relentless propaganda of the pro-EU cause, Europe would forge ahead on the global stage, ever more united, while the UK would slide into insularity and decline.

But that narrative is starting to look like a delusion.

Headed by a strong government and sustained by a dynamic economy, it is Britain that can look forward to the future with confidence, while the EU and its member states remain trapped in bureaucratic sclerosis, obsessed with regulation and welfare when much of the rest of the world is embracing commercial freedom.
Only on Thursday, an authoritative study by the Confederation of British Industry reported the biggest surge in confidence on record among manufacturers, with companies planning to ramp- up investment.

The CBI's report followed news earlier in the week of yet another fall in unemployment as the British jobs miracle continues.

The jobless rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1974, while employment, at 33 million, is at its highest-ever level.

Particularly striking is the dramatic growth in self-employment to more than five million, a sure indicator of an enterprising economy.
A glance across the Channel to Britain is enough to make me sufficiently envious to reach for an aspirin — invented a long time ago in Germany — to quaff with the Champagne.

I see a government with a solid, one-party majority, compared to all the fragile coalitions of Europe. I see a nation with a strong sense of purpose, built on trust in its own capabilities, and a powerful economy. Indeed, according to the International Monetary Fund, Britain will be the fastest-growing G7 economy in Europe over the next two years.

I see a vibrant, open place that can attract huge amounts of foreign investment, has an unrivalled record on business start-ups, is a global pioneer of scientific and genetic research.

I see a country that has an unrivalled financial services sector, enjoys a vast cultural reach through language, music and the arts and contains several of the world's great universities.

At times, when I consider Britain, I am reminded of the bullish atmosphere that prevails in the fast-growing Asian economies.
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You do know what Bild is I take it? It's the German version of The Sun and the name means " pictures" so called because it was aimed at those who were barely literate. Sort of fits doesn't it?
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