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Old 14th Jan 2020, 18:31
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
0.75%? I remember times when interest rates were twenty times that! And yes, maths is definitely my strong point, I'm Almost aspergers on numbers.

I think that it's important that Remainers don't let up on Brexit. The intention is obviously to attempt to say when it all goes horribly pear shaped that it is something that we all share in. That will never happen as far as I am concerned. Leavers will be held to account for ever!
The all pulling together, let’s get Brexit done, put the Great back in Great Britain vibe is really not too strong in the Effluent household I fear...
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 18:45
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I started my own business in 1977 and every decision I took I was prepared if it went pear shaped to own the consequences. I just have a suspicion that if Brexit goes horribly wrong then we are going to get the " joint decision all,in this together " bolleaux.

All I am saying is this: If it goes wrong I expect Boris to similarly own the debacle. What chances of that ?
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 19:14
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
All I am saying is this: If it goes wrong I expect Boris to similarly own the debacle. What chances of that ?
Chances will be zero! Mini Trump will not take the blame, instead it will be everybody else because “they want to punish the UK” for leaving the EU. Self criticism is not something mini Trump (or Trump himself) have ever heard of.
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 03:44
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Kleenex at the ready chaps ! "our blessed freedom from the confines of Brussels ".....an Excess "crusade " is clearly imminent !......there again, such is the complexity and lexicon of the rags front page, many Excess readers will be totally confused let alone comprehend the rags exhortations, or rather demand. FREE pull out and keep "Land of Hope and Glory " lyrics supplement coming soon !

Pure, unadulterated, emetic hyperbole and jingoism.............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-51115025

Some may be upset.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-bong-cartoon

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Old 15th Jan 2020, 10:02
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In plain (not glider) English and comprehensibility?
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 10:23
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" Ding dong merrily on high, the mugs can pay to fund it ! "

Spiffing idea and suggestion from Boris what ! ......and doubtless there will be those, bedecked in their Union Jack apparel, waving their plastic flags, drinking port, or warm brown ale, on the night who probably will part with their money.

As we have a Gov't so obsessed with leaving, perhaps they should all be invited to pay the cost between them.

In a rare diversion from he usual impeccable Guardian readers standards, one wishes to politely say...F$^K that for suggestion ! " ...if I have a drink on the night, it won't be to "celebrate " .it will be in memory of the UK before the country decided to believe the most comprehensive campaign of disinformation in history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51107646
You moan when Boris spends money, then moan when he trys to save it.
Can't have it both ways...
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 10:49
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Nige planning a big do for Trafalgar Square for the 31st. Should be a good "celebration" . I'm looking forward to attending, hope it will be like Grosvenor Square back in '68!
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 11:26
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I see the lunatics who want to celebrate our exit from the EU are even calling for church bells to be rung, as they were at the end of WW1 and WW2.
Fortunately at least one bishop has given them a suitable answer.
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
You moan when Boris spends money, then moan when he trys to save it.
Can't have it both ways...
I know the answer to that.

If the money spent is beneficial to him personally, then it is well spent.
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 11:51
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Nige planning a big do for Trafalgar Square for the 31st. Should be a good "celebration" . I'm looking forward to attending, hope it will be like Grosvenor Square back in '68!
Hope so but he should save it until next year because nothing will change on February 1st except the symbolism of leaving.

But it was always about symbolism, Brexit wasn't it? Talk of freedom from Brussels or an independence day. Deeply ironic considering Britain's history of conquest and colonisation. Then there's the petty triviality of ringing Big Ben.

But Nige the irrelevant should wait until next year given the inevitable no deal Brexit because of the utterly unrealistic timetable for a deal.

Of course by then there will be no stomach for it once the duped voters realise the mistake of giving the Tories a blank cheque.


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Old 15th Jan 2020, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" Ding dong merrily on high, the mugs can pay to fund it ! "

Spiffing idea and suggestion from Boris what ! ......and doubtless there will be those, bedecked in their Union Jack apparel, waving their plastic flags, drinking port, or warm brown ale, on the night who probably will part with their money.

As we have a Gov't so obsessed with leaving, perhaps they should all be invited to pay the cost between them.

In a rare diversion from he usual impeccable Guardian readers standards, one wishes to politely say...F$^K that for suggestion ! " ...if I have a drink on the night, it won't be to "celebrate " .it will be in memory of the UK before the country decided to believe the most comprehensive campaign of disinformation in history.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51107646
Bloody hell! That's twice recently I've found myself agreeing with K'n'C! What the hell's going on?
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 12:59
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In plain (not glider) English and comprehensibility?
Alas, deductive reasoning and correlation are not really what could be called your strongpoints now are they. I was bemused by your reference to Camphill a while a go, then to gliding and soaring ( you will be aghast to learn that I was allowed to fly in the first place, and that I was pretty good ( if one sez so ones modest self ) , You have clearly noted my many trips to the Derbyshire and put 2+2 together...and failed, miserably. I stopped gliding relatively recently, but go to Derbyshire for other reasons and if I was flying, Camphill would not be my first choice. One hopes, that, despite your befuddled state, one has explained matters with clarity and compassion.

Glider English is very similar to English English...."off" is very often used in conversation ......

Back to why the sound of silence on the day is the only sound worth having....

As for Nige, well lets be rational here. Nige has some form for his "fearless leadership from the front ! "style, as recently demonstrated some may recall...so the chances of the UK's Saviour actually being present at this little gathering are minimal at best.
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Old 15th Jan 2020, 17:22
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Thanks KnC. That helps clarify my source.


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Old 16th Jan 2020, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I see the lunatics who want to celebrate our exit from the EU are even calling for church bells to be rung, as they were at the end of WW1 and WW2.
Fortunately at least one bishop has given them a suitable answer.
It is not up to one lefty hand wringing bishop. It is for the individual ministers to decide and I’m sure there are plenty of true patriots amongst their number.

Leaving the EU is a momentous event. It is without question that it should be appropriately marked and celebrated.

But Nige the irrelevant should wait until next year given the inevitable no deal Brexit because of the utterly unrealistic timetable for a deal.
Of all the accusations you could level at Nigel Farage, irrelevance is not one of them. He is the most influential politician for a generation, almost single handedly responsible for securing UK independence. He (and those within the party like Mark Francois and JRM) now have the extremely important task of ensuring that the Tories are not permitted to drift back towards the centre ground.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 09:05
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But Nige the irrelevant should wait until next year given the inevitable no deal Brexit because of the utterly unrealistic timetable for a deal.
The timetable is in the agreement negotiated and signed by the EU, in reported good faith. Regardless of the comments by their representatives in the forthcoming negotiations, which should be considered in that context.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ed_Kingdom.pdf

135.In setting out the framework of the future relationship between the Union and the United Kingdom, this declaration confirms, as set out in the Withdrawal Agreement, that it is the clear intent of both Parties to develop in good faith agreements giving effect to this relationship and to begin the formal process of negotiations as soon as possible after the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the Union, such that they can come into force by the end of 2020.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I see the lunatics who want to celebrate our exit from the EU are even calling for church bells to be rung, as they were at the end of WW1 and WW2.
Fortunately at least one bishop has given them a suitable answer.
The silent disco approach to the issue should satisfy everyone.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 09:31
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What is also to be taken into account is the UK is not a new country negotiating new deals with the EU, we already trade with them, so the negotiations will merely be to decide what processes/rules that trade will continue under, unless people seriously think that all existing trade will stop at the end of the month and won’t restart until new deals are negotiated.

If one looks at the government site on trading if a default leave happens, it will be noted that the new processes/documents are there to use in the same way as non-EU countries currently trade with the EU.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 11:21
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The silent disco approach to the issue should satisfy everyone.
No doubt somebody, somewhere, using the "fearless tradition that made Britain great " excuse etc will ring some bells......and no doubt as per N Y Eve and a certain date in Nov, the artillery barrage will open up at midnight to "celebrate "

Nige is planning an all day event then....Nige and planning / events have not been entirely successful in the past....no change is expected therefore.
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 12:52
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What is also to be taken into account is the UK is not a new country negotiating new deals with the EU, we already trade with them, so the negotiations will merely be to decide what processes/rules that trade will continue under, unless people seriously think that all existing trade will stop at the end of the month and won’t restart until new deals are negotiated.
Yes - the negotiations will start from a position of alignment, but how we handle divergence will be interesting. Easier if we raise our standards, but more complex if it goes the other way
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Old 16th Jan 2020, 13:21
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Yes - the negotiations will start from a position of alignment, but how we handle divergence will be interesting. Easier if we raise our standards, but more complex if it goes the other way
I still struggle to understand (a problem I have in many areas of life apparently ) why any business would lower their production standards from those currently accepted by the EU on current trade, it is a sure way of ending their trade with the EU, and I doubt they would want to lose that EU trade so they can try and negotiate a new deal with a new trading partner country outside the EU, it would be economic suicide for them.
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