Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

BREXIT

Old 8th Jan 2020, 08:40
  #4201 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: No longer in Jurassic Park eating Toblerone....
Posts: 2,676
Fly Airpt; au contraire, I am a supporter of Scottish Independence but I can count and anybody who scrutinises the SNP's projections for earnings from oil & gas in a world of declining carbon fuel reliance realises that they are fantasy figures. Even if there was going to be an increase in demand the ageing fields would demand increased fracking to recover their maximum capacity but this has a finite limit and without significant new exploration and development then the end result will only end in a reduction of supply.

Your quote regarding the 2019 High Court decision applies to onshore fracking only. Due to the geography of the UK mainland being different to the geography of the North Sea seabed there have been no issues with offshore fracking hence why it is still allowed.
LowNSlow is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2020, 18:14
  #4202 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 5,216
According to Cornish Jack's electoral calculations Scotland did not vote to stay in the EU despite Nicola's 'settled will of the people of Scotland.

Out of an electorate of 3,987,112 a total of 1,661,191 voted to remain. That's just over 41% which is nowhere near a majority.
Fareastdriver is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2020, 18:35
  #4203 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: French Alps
Posts: 326
Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Fly Airpt; au contraire, I am a supporter of Scottish Independence but I can count and anybody who scrutinises the SNP's projections for earnings from oil & gas in a world of declining carbon fuel reliance realises that they are fantasy figures.
Any projections related to independence from a Union include a part of fantasy. And the UK should know ;-)
Oil and gas are not the sole resource of Scotland.
It has fisheries, fresh water, electricity, navy class shipyards, air and naval bases, which can help escaping the clutches of the UK.
Fly Aiprt is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2020, 18:47
  #4204 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Right here, right now
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Any projections related to independence from a Union include a part of fantasy. And the UK should know ;-)
Oil and gas are not the sole resource of Scotland.
It has fisheries, fresh water, electricity, navy class shipyards, air and naval bases, which can help escaping the clutches of the UK.
Fisheries - with declining fish stocks.

Fresh water - lots of that.

Electricity - Will need all of the power generated by renewable sources when the coal, oil, gas are turned off and the last 2 reactors are decommissioned (the SNP Government have stated that they want to go 100% renewables and are anti carbon emiting and nuclear power stations).

Shipyards - That are kept in business primarily from UK Government RN contracts.

Naval and air bases - How are they resources?
MFC_Fly is offline  
Old 8th Jan 2020, 21:43
  #4205 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 20,522
Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.
NutLoose is offline  
Old 9th Jan 2020, 18:28
  #4206 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ESSEX
Posts: 275
Well that’s because the current mob actually want to leave . Mays gang were to scared to fart without an Eu sign off
SARF is offline  
Old 9th Jan 2020, 18:40
  #4207 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: yes
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.
I wouldn't read too much into that. Don't buy the Boris fantasy that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.
Steepclimb is offline  
Old 9th Jan 2020, 20:54
  #4208 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.
Ursula gave a speech at the LSE, so i wouldn"t read too much into it...
ThorMos is offline  
Old 9th Jan 2020, 22:27
  #4209 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: England
Posts: 418
Originally Posted by duffied View Post
Except that the UK is a net contributor to the EU. Once its gone the other net contributors will have to take up the slack, or provide less to the charity countries.
Yes, you really are new here.
Sallyann1234 is offline  
Old 9th Jan 2020, 22:40
  #4210 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 0
Some delicious foot-stomping in the wake of the Brexit bill passing The Commons today.

Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesperson, Alistair Carmichael said his party would continue to oppose the "dangerous" bill.
And SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford said Scotland would "remain an independent European country". "This is a constitutional crisis, because we will not and we cannot accept what is being done to us," he told MPs.
What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.
flocci_non_faccio is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:01
  #4211 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: France
Posts: 464
What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.
Fine words butter no parsnips f_n_f .... or as you said yourself ....

I'm pretty sure that you're well aware that the UK is a nation committed to democratic values including free speech and the right to peaceful demonstration
Alsacienne is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 07:57
  #4212 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Sabotage Central Office
Posts: 0
Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Yes, you really are new here.
But what he says is true, we are net contributers.
It may have been gone through many times in this thread but you could say that about 99% of posts in here.
So apart from simply taking the opportunity to cast another snidey comment, what's your point?
Slaine is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 08:06
  #4213 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 1,123
Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post
Some delicious foot-stomping in the wake of the Brexit bill passing The Commons today.





What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.
You seem to be an avid student of Lord Haw Haw with your adaption of his style of communication.....
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 08:08
  #4214 (permalink)  
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lincolnshire
Age: 78
Posts: 16,749
Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Yes, you really are new here.
OTOH quite a few contributors have disappeared and I suspect reappeared with different handles I suspect.
Pontius Navigator is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 08:45
  #4215 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 0
Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You seem to be an avid student of Lord Haw Haw with your adaption of his style of communication.....
I'd be interested in what you find factually wrong. 330 votes to 231 in The Commons. Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.
flocci_non_faccio is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 08:50
  #4216 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 1,461
I'm pretty sure that you're well aware that the UK is a nation committed to democratic values including free speech and the right to peaceful demonstration
What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.

The most pertinent observation on contributions to 'discussion' forums is that, like fundamental orifices, everybody has an opinion ... with the rider that, what issues forth is distasteful and of reduced value.
The enthusiasm with which a corrupt election result is embraced, in the desperate search of a minority to force the rest of the nation into dogmatic Chauvinism, makes the 'electoral processes' of such as Russia and China seem quite open-handed! At least in those regimes, the 'customers' are aware that they are being screwed - here we accept, indeed, even welcome. the misinterpretation of the popular will and, as some would have it, enjoy the process!
Cornish Jack is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 09:00
  #4217 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 1,123
Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post
I'd be interested in what you find factually wrong. 330 votes to 231 in The Commons. Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.
I never said there was anything factually wrong. All I did was note your emulation of his gloating style of communication.

Not for the first time however, and noted by several other posters, your enthusiasm for a totalitarian Gov't continues unabated with the rest of your post. ....the correlation with Lord Haw Haw being now well established .

As I've said before, the current Gov't is Tory in name only. I've never made any secret of being a socialist and Labour supporter, but, this Gov't is in no way representative of a genuine Tory Gov't. They are as far apart from the core principles of such that it's possible to be....and, as such, this does not auger well for millions in the UK of all political hues.
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 09:40
  #4218 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post

<snip>

Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.
The possibility to just throw mps out of the party because they do not follow party lines is undemocratic. MPs should only be following their own conscience and the will of the voters in their constituency. What you think is a masterstroke is a technique used in the SED (east germany), China and, of course, the NSDAP.

Go on, admit it, in reality you are a fascist and not a democrat...
ThorMos is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 09:58
  #4219 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: God's Country
Posts: 131
From Bloomberg.

Airbus Pledges Expansion in the U.K. After BrexitBy
Charlotte Ryan
and
Siddharth Vikram Philip8 January 2020, 21:36 GMTAirbus SE signaled that it’s ready to move beyond a previously uneasy relationship with the U.K. over Brexit, saying the future of its British wing plants is secure and pledging to work with the government to expand a business that goes from helicopter maintenance to planetary rovers.

Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury said Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, which will see Britain leave the European Union on Jan. 31, means the split from the bloc “is at least now for certain,” though the nature of future ties still needs to be worked out.


This from The Guardian exactly a year ago.

Airbus has called the UK government’s handling of Brexit a “disgrace” and warned the aerospace firm could pull out of the UK if the country crashes out of the EU without a deal.

In a video message released on Thursday, Tom Enders, its chief executive, said that if there was a no-deal Brexit, Airbus would have to make “potentially very harmful decisions for the UK”.

He added: “Please don’t listen to the Brexiteers’ madness, which asserts that because we have huge plants here we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.”

The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.
The Nip is offline  
Old 10th Jan 2020, 11:18
  #4220 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Earth
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
The Guardian like the Labour party, wrong again.
You might want to read that again. The current statement talks about the PM having a Brexit deal but the article of a year ago talks about a no-deal Brexit. Teo completely different things and you are comparing apples to oranges to try and make a point.

CEJM is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.