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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post
The Conservative Party. What bit of that are you failing to understand?

As I've previously stated however, I'd have been more than happy to have had PR in place in 2015, as we'd currently be looking back at nearly 5 years of a CON/UKIP coalition with Nigel Farage as deputy PM.
Your support for totalitarian Gov't is duly noted.......... the example shown being an unequivocal benefit of not having PR.

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:12
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Guys,
We all know which party won the elections and who the PM is. We also approximately know the percentage of pro vs anti brexit.
So we do know what "the will of the people" is, and why the PM preferred elections to a referendum.

Now time to move on. Negotiations.
What about the EU proposing (imposing) to sequence the talks ?
And poposing in this order, fisheries etc., then goods trade, then services ?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:27
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What on earth is CJ doing making unattributed quotes in support of his own undemocratic views.

Our system has flaws, the value of a vote varies hugely from constituency to constituency. An equable balance would see more Liberal and fewer SNP MPs. It would also see no majority Government and probably a near permanent alignment to Socialism.

Would a one party system, like Russia, be better than a two-party system like the US?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:30
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What bit of that are you failing to understand?
It would appear that i was typing too quickly so I'll do this bit v e r y s l o w l y to aid comprehension.
Given two totals in competition for the greater, the bigger number is considered to be the winner ... with me so far?
The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Conservatives was MUCH greater than the total for the Conservatives. Still with me?
Ergo (nice bit of Latin, to indicate serious, intelligent debate!) the Conservatives lost the competition for popular support. QED (What did the Romans ever do for us?)
However, our (i.e.the UK) political system is able to translate such trivial nonsense as vote-counting, via the arcane wizardry of 'power-broking', into a ludicrous travesty of citizen's representation touted as a 'Landslide Victory'!!! If that isn't Humpty-Dumpty territory, I don't know what is!
Still, all is peaceful in the realm of the unthinking ... Don't rock the boat! ( especially this close to sinking!)
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:32
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
What bit of that are you failing to understand?
It would appear that i was typing too quickly so I'll do this bit v e r y s l o w l y to aid comprehension.
Given two totals in competition for the greater, the bigger number is considered to be the winner ... with me so far?
The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Conservatives was MUCH greater than the total for the Conservatives. Still with me?
Ergo (nice bit of Latin, to indicate serious, intelligent debate!) the Conservatives lost the competition for popular support. QED (What did the Romans ever do for us?)
So by your theory, Lewis Hamilton is not the F1 World Champion, because if you add up all the points of all the other drivers in the competition they got more
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:52
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly View Post
So by your theory, Lewis Hamilton is not the F1 World Champion, because if you add up all the points of all the other drivers in the competition they got more
Amusing, but not a valid comparison.

I just wonder whether CJ's complaints about FPTP would be criticised as strongly now if Corbyn had become PM?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
What bit of that are you failing to understand?
It would appear that i was typing too quickly so I'll do this bit v e r y s l o w l y to aid comprehension.
Given two totals in competition for the greater, the bigger number is considered to be the winner ... with me so far?
The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Conservatives was MUCH greater than the total for the Conservatives. Still with me?
Ergo (nice bit of Latin, to indicate serious, intelligent debate!) the Conservatives lost the competition for popular support. QED (What did the Romans ever do for us?)
However, our (i.e.the UK) political system is able to translate such trivial nonsense as vote-counting, via the arcane wizardry of 'power-broking', into a ludicrous travesty of citizen's representation touted as a 'Landslide Victory'!!! If that isn't Humpty-Dumpty territory, I don't know what is!
Still, all is peaceful in the realm of the unthinking ... Don't rock the boat! ( especially this close to sinking!)
So you canít answer my simple question.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:55
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Bee Rexit, I would offer to show you the bank statement with the cheque from Waveney Harriers if I could be bothered with the opinions of Essex Man.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Amusing, but not a valid comparison.

I just wonder whether CJ's complaints about FPTP would be criticised as strongly now if Corbyn had become PM?
I can of course only reply for myself, but as much as I would have been appalled at Labour winning the last election I would have accepted the result without hesitation.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:59
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Yellow triumph.

if you add all the votes of Remain supporting parties there are roughly a million more than Leave ones. The percentage is around 53/47 . That is assuming that all Labour voters were Remain and all Tory ones Leave. That is being kind to Leave because it's generally reckoned that due to Farage standing candidates in Labour held seats more Remainers stayed faithful to the Tories than Leavers did to Labour.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 13:08
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The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Labour Party was MUCH MUCH greater than the total for the Labour Party.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
but as much as I would have been appalled at Labour winning the last election I would have accepted the result without hesitation.
Will this good sport attitude still hold when it comes to the results of the PM achievements in the fisheries/trade deal negotiations ?

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:12
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So you canít answer my simple question.
Say again - if necessary, 'words twice'!
or, on second thoughts, don't bother!
What on earth is CJ doing making unattributed quotes in support of his own undemocratic views.
Perhaps you would care to be unique among JB contributors and DEFINE 'Democracy'?
the value of a vote varies hugely from constituency to constituency
I think he's got it - bygad he's got it¨ (with acknowledgements to Alan Jay Lerner)
Would a one party system, like Russia, be better than a two-party system like the US?
Even allowing for standard JB thread drift, I have some difficulty accommodating that line of discussion - but feel free to talk among yourselves
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:18
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The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Labour Party was MUCH MUCH greater than the total for the Labour Party.
Well spotted, sir! ... and your point was?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:34
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
The results of the negotiations are not dependent on what I think about the matter.
Not sure I'm understanding your response.
You said you would accept the result of the elections no matter what it would be.
The negotiations are to be conducted by the PM resulting from the elections, will you accept them no matter what you think about them ?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Not sure I'm understanding your response.
You said you would accept the result of the elections no matter what it would be.
The negotiations are to be conducted by the PM resulting from the elections, will you accept them no matter what you think about them ?
Yes I will, there can be no other reply.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:18
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
That is assuming that all Labour voters were Remain and all Tory ones Leave.
Sorted, I think we can safely assume that is bollocks. I am sure many die-hard Labour leavers voted Corbyn and I know similar Tory remainers voted Johnson. As the assumption is false so are any conclusions.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by under_exposed View Post
The total number of votes cast for Parties opposed to the Labour Party was MUCH MUCH greater than the total for the Labour Party.
Brilliant.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:42
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 18:35
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
Yes I will, there can be no other reply.
Thank your for your response.
Now that the Parliament seems to be disposed to vote a blank check for the PM, and relinquish their say into his negotiations, I was wondering whether people who welcomed the present PM would also welcome what he's going to negotiate.
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