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Old 20th Dec 2019, 08:54
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For people who have been so spectacularly wrong about the brexit vote and two election results, especially this last one, you doom merchants don't half write some bollox.

Do the decent thing and, like gertie, hide away until it is slightly less embarrassing for you. We will still be here in 10 years.

Merry Christmas 😇

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Old 20th Dec 2019, 09:28
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I don't know what all the fuss is about. We've been reminded ad nauseam that the referendum was simply remain or leave. There was nothing about what sort of leave.
We'll be out next month.
If there is no deal, well the referendum didn't offer one.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
We'll be out next month.
If there is no deal, well the referendum didn't offer one.
I've read elswhere the suggestion that BJ won't keep the Parliament and the UK public in general updated on the progress of the negotiations with the EU.

The EU won't "play hardball" or anything, they'll just play their hand. They have been ready for months now, their priorities are set, and our old friend Barnier is at the helm.
As there won't be much time for those negotiations, and BJ is still busy playing the domestic politic game, the UK won't be in the strongest of positions in February.
One of the first deals to be struck concerns the fisheries after the standstill transition period. We will quickly see whether the PM will be transparent.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
I've read elswhere the suggestion that BJ won't keep the Parliament and the UK public in general updated on the progress of the negotiations with the EU.

The EU won't "play hardball" or anything, they'll just play their hand. They have been ready for months now, their priorities are set, and our old friend Barnier is at the helm.
As there won't be much time for those negotiations, and BJ is still busy playing the domestic politic game, the UK won't be in the strongest of positions in February.
One of the first deals to be struck concerns the fisheries after the standstill transition period. We will quickly see whether the PM will be transparent.
Yes, yes, we know, EU is good, UK is stupid and racist. Anyone would wonder why you spend so much time on a UK based forum...
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 12:13
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But it will still be the EU's fault!
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 12:28
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
But it will still be the EU's fault!
Each and every article benefitting the EU in the future deals will be the EU's fault.

Let's hope there will be many of them^^!

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Old 20th Dec 2019, 13:32
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Johnson has a real conundrum now. He has pledged to repay the trust placed in him by former Labour voters in the North East, the North West and the Midlands, but these are the very places that will be hardest hit by a hard Brexit. Now I KNOW that these places almost all voted to leave, but if PSA close Ellesmere Port and Luton (and the recent claim that Ellesmere Port is safe ignores the already stated consequences of tariffs on complete car exports from the UK and components travelling back and forth) Nissan close Sunderland and Cranfield, Toyota close Burnaston and Deesside, BMW close Cowley, Swindon and Birmingham, JLR scale back ect etc etc then the impact on these areas will be devastating, along with a huge impact on the overall UK economy, GDP and tax take, as if these places go then the related supply chain will go. And if we have a hard Brexit they WILL go, as the fine margins in global JIT vehicle manufacture do not allow for the delay and tariffs at the UK/EU border. This will be compounded by the ridiculous decision of the Tory Govt to arbitrarily reduce UK import tariffs to xero to, and I quote Jacob Rees Mogg, "allow us all to enjoy cheaper food, consumer goods and clothes" then the foreign owned automotive industry can close UK factories whilst at the same time maintaining their market share by importing from existing plants that would all take up the capacity lost by the UK closures. And that is just one industry sector, albeit a huge one. This is insanity!
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 13:46
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Johnson has a real conundrum now. He has pledged to repay the trust placed in him by former Labour voters in the North East, the North West and the Midlands, but these are the very places that will be hardest hit by a hard Brexit. Now I KNOW that these places almost all voted to leave, but if PSA close Ellesmere Port and Luton (and the recent claim that Ellesmere Port is safe ignores the already stated consequences of tariffs on complete car exports from the UK and components travelling back and forth) Nissan close Sunderland and Cranfield, Toyota close Burnaston and Deesside, BMW close Cowley, Swindon and Birmingham, JLR scale back ect etc etc then the impact on these areas will be devastating, along with a huge impact on the overall UK economy, GDP and tax take, as if these places go then the related supply chain will go. And if we have a hard Brexit they WILL go, as the fine margins in global JIT vehicle manufacture do not allow for the delay and tariffs at the UK/EU border. This will be compounded by the ridiculous decision of the Tory Govt to arbitrarily reduce UK import tariffs to xero to, and I quote Jacob Rees Mogg, "allow us all to enjoy cheaper food, consumer goods and clothes" then the foreign owned automotive industry can close UK factories whilst at the same time maintaining their market share by importing from existing plants that would all take up the capacity lost by the UK closures. And that is just one industry sector, albeit a huge one. This is insanity!
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I think you are probably right. Also I think you will find that manufacturers set up large store departments (JLR) here to bolt on bits for kit assembly with bulk of assembly being done elsewhere. This may allow people to think it is made in UK, or even just England if Nicola gets her way. Madness as you say. Either way those in those regions "know not what they do".
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 13:59
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prOOne: I think we can safely ignore any comments re Ellesmere Port being "safe". My brother is in the business of supplying warehousing kit, pallet racking, mezz floors etc. Some months ago, he was approached by a regular customer of his for quotes for supply of racking etc. My brother's customer does regular small scale work for the NHS and was telling my brother this quote will be for a new hospital that is going onto the Vauxhall site at Ellesmere Port. A done deal, by all accounts.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 14:00
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
if PSA close Ellesmere Port and Luton (and the recent claim that Ellesmere Port is safe ignores the already stated consequences of tariffs on complete car exports from the UK and components travelling back and forth) Nissan close Sunderland and Cranfield, Toyota close Burnaston and Deesside, BMW close Cowley, Swindon and Birmingham, JLR scale back ect etc etc then the impact on these areas will be devastating, along with a huge impact on the overall UK economy, GDP and tax take
Agree, pr00ne. There is a huge risk, but if the UK Government offers good conditions to those firms, they may well decide to not close all those factories.
There still remains the issues of under-investment and the lower British productivity, but who knows ?

Also, contrary to promises, the UK may elect to apply for a status similar to Norway, which includes free movement of goods, capital, services and people between the EU and EFTA members, and pay for it, though not having a say into the EU's decisions.
Most of the UK's industry could be saved.

That would be Brexit in name only, but what's important is to just leave whatever the way, isn't it ?

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Old 20th Dec 2019, 16:01
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but what's important is to just leave whatever the way, isn't it ?
Sadly I fear what's important is to leave in whatever way boosts Boris's chances of seeing out his full term of office at No10 ....
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 16:13
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Sadly I fear what's important is to leave in whatever way boosts Boris's chances of seeing out his full term of office at No10 ....
Agreed, but I wouldn't bet he will serve the full 5 year term...
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:04
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Agreed, but I wouldn't bet he will serve the full 5 year term...
Neither would a lot of people once Boris shows his true intent .

You could say this is a foretaste of that intent.....note the amendments and how any scrutiny is quietly being negated.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hats-different

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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:36
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KnC

you are gonna make yourself ill with an ulcer or something. Just give it a rest and get on with your life you will be much happier.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
You could say this is a foretaste of that intent.....note the amendments and how any scrutiny is quietly being negated.
Quite in accordance with the opinion above : BJ wants to not be transparent.
He's asked Parliament to not scrutinize the negotiations and they accepted to not be consulted anymore.

In a way, this is good for the EU : he won't have to tell the country when he caves.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 18:18
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Agreed, but I wouldn't bet he will serve the full 5 year term...
He will, the next election will be December 2024.

In the meantime if he really does take the UK out of transition without a very credible and workable trade deal (somewhat better than the dogs breakfast that has been dumped on the Northern Irish) then many of those Labour voters who "lent" the Tories their vote will be regretting the day they did so as their jobs will be ebbing away over the intervening 5 years.

prOOne: I think we can safely ignore any comments re Ellesmere Port being "safe". My brother is in the business of supplying warehousing kit, pallet racking, mezz floors etc. Some months ago, he was approached by a regular customer of his for quotes for supply of racking etc. My brother's customer does regular small scale work for the NHS and was telling my brother this quote will be for a new hospital that is going onto the Vauxhall site at Ellesmere Port. A done deal, by all accounts.
Well that's where one of the allegedly 40 new hospitals is going to be built. Can we expect others in Burnaston, Sunderland, Solihull, Castle Bromwich, Cowley and Crewe???
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 18:39
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I don't know about ill with an ulcer. I think it far more likely to get a hernia from laughing when Brexit inevitably hits the buffers and the decision has to be made as to whether we remain a serious mainstream economy or a new banana republic. The Tory party will be severely riven by this decision.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 18:45
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There are fewer things sadder than bitter losers trying to predict a bleak future for the victors
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 19:15
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Just to add some facts to the food standards meme.....

https://techround.co.uk/business/ame...ood-standards/
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 19:27
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He will, the next election will be December 2024.
Maybe.
How many elections is the past 3-4 years ?

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