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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:30
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Speaking of the Lib Dems, I was surprised recently when some commentators all agreed that the more often Jo Swinson appears in the media etc, her "popularity" decreases. She can be a bit of a pain to listen to but she seems quite tolerable. Layla Moran on the other hand... "Does the volume go up to 11"? Quite aggravating when she sets off on one.
I read that as well. I suspect she's one of those "strong women" that you start off admiring and rapidly realise she's actually your worst nightmare
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 17:17
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A senior British diplomat in the US has quit with a blast at the UK government over Brexit, saying she could no longer "peddle half-truths" on behalf of political leaders she did not "trust."
In a searing resignation letter delivered just over a week before the UK general election, Alexandra Hall Hall, the lead envoy for Brexit in the British Embassy in Washington, said that she had become increasingly dismayed by the demands placed on the British civil service to deliver messages on Brexit which were not "fully honest."The reluctance of Britain's leaders to play straight with the public on Brexit, Hall Hall said, had undermined the credibility of UK diplomats abroad. Her position had become "unbearable personally" and "untenable professionally," she wrote in the letter, which has been obtained by CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/u...ntl/index.html
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 18:25
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"Hall Hall?" Sounds like a bit of a rural ancestry.

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 23:48
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If you're going to dismiss someone's opinion because of their name, we can get rid of that Pfeffel character right away.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 03:23
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Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 08:32
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Originally Posted by iceman50 View Post
Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
Really ? you may be interested to learn that there are still people who hold something known as......principles.

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
If you're going to dismiss someone's opinion because of their name, we can get rid of that Pfeffel character right away.
Which one, Boris or Alexander? So many charlatans to chose from.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:21
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Grayfly: All of the above! I saw a clip on TV yesterday with the elder responding to a jibe about the junior, likening him to Pinocchio. Basically, he said the population of UK is ignorant and wouldn't be able to spell Pinocchio anyway.
I suppose it is good to know the population is ignorant as we can all say "I didn't know any better" in case his son wins the G.E.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Grayfly: All of the above! I saw a clip on TV yesterday with the elder responding to a jibe about the junior, likening him to Pinocchio. Basically, he said the population of UK is ignorant and wouldn't be able to spell Pinocchio anyway.
I suppose it is good to know the population is ignorant as we can all say "I didn't know any better" in case his son wins the G.E.
It is high time that self identifying as 'stupid' as in the above was a criminal offense, the criminal justice system however, probably wouldn't be able to cope.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by iceman50 View Post
Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
No, you resign, freeing yourself from the (proper, whilst employed) need to stay quiet; and allowing your political judgement to be aired. She didn't leave 'cos the political hue didn't suit her, she was fed up of fronting dishonesty.

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 18:44
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
No, you resign, freeing yourself from the (proper, whilst employed) need to stay quiet; and allowing your political judgement to be aired. She didn't leave 'cos the political hue didn't suit her, she was fed up of fronting dishonesty.

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Couldn't she just have moved post? Perhaps somewhere less testing than the US?

I'm fairly certain that professional diplomats the world over are amongst humanity's best liars; it is almost the lead description in the job spec isn't it?
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Couldn't she just have moved post? Perhaps somewhere less testing than the US?

I'm fairly certain that professional diplomats the world over are amongst humanity's best liars; it is almost the lead description in the job spec isn't it?
Her posting wasn’t what was bothering her. It was the dishonesty of her paymasters. So whether she was posted to the USA, Chile or Outer Mongolia, she would still have had to deal with the same dishonesty coming from on high.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 20:56
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Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum rei publicae causa
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 08:43
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum rei publicae causa
I’m pretty certain (Actually I know for a fact) that that was referring to other country’s citizens. Not your own.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 10:52
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum rei publicae causa
So btB, what's changed in the last 400 years?
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 10:55
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Unable to understand Latin. Assuming that’s Latin
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 10:59
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Will ORAC never get away from cutting and pasting other people's efforts? https://www.ft.com/content/61209e28-...0-cbae5495d92b
The present incumbent of No10 operates in the delusory confusion of education and intelligence. While he has, by repute, been expensively well educated, by demonstrated activity, he is totally lacking in intelligence. This is in no way surprising, since intelligence is innate and by reference to lineage, one can see the source of the problem!
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Will ORAC never get away from cutting and pasting other people's efforts?
Perhaps her own efforts are just too disappointing.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 17:58
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It's many many moons since I suffered compulsory latin classes, but with the help of Mr Google

Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum rei publicae causa translates as
(An) Ambassador is a good man sent to lie abroad for the sake of the State

So now we can sleep soundly tonight knowing that a dead language can still have its uses ....
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 18:13
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Not really. Could easily just use a live language to say the same thing. But then, like the PM who sprinkles his speech with Greek and Latin, it would be harder to appear to be cleverer then your audience. Sir Humphrey used to do it to great effect in ‘Yes Minister’.
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