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Old 29th Nov 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Article 50 is revokable up to Jan 31st. Will they actually leave on the 31st?
If BJ is in office, he most probably will hesitate before taking the plunge.
Personally I think if he has a majority we will leave on 31st Jan. Everyone will rejoice about how wonderful it is. And then the reality of the flimsy deal that will be on offer and the implications of it will be addressed afterwards.
i expect it probably needs voting through by a parliamentary majority (is that right anyone?). Which Boris may (likely) or may not (less likely) get.

And then of course we can see Brexit getting done and things that need unleashing being unleashed. Whatever that means.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 13:33
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I don't know if it is because of the fact that I live in the SE but I am really surprised that the Liberal Democrats are not polling more highly. Almost everyone I speak to who is a traditional Conservative voter has said they will be voting LD. Now I know this is a small sample of Widger's associates but I will be very interested to see if there is indeed a swing to LD in this election that the Left and Right leaning press are choosing to ignore.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by zoigberg View Post
Personally I think if he has a majority we will leave on 31st Jan. Everyone will rejoice about how wonderful it is. And then the reality of the flimsy deal that will be on offer and the implications of it will be addressed afterwards.
Would broadly agree, except...there is no such thing as a deal on offer until you actually leave.
Then nothing will be on offer, you'll have to go negotiating (= begging) in Brussels for any little bit of deal, with the 2020 clock ticking and leavers complaining the £350 m/week have not yet arrived in their local hospital...
Even people as thick as BJ would hesitate....

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Old 29th Nov 2019, 14:20
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Speaking of the Lib Dems, I was surprised recently when some commentators all agreed that the more often Jo Swinson appears in the media etc, her "popularity" decreases. She can be a bit of a pain to listen to but she seems quite tolerable. Layla Moran on the other hand... "Does the volume go up to 11"? Quite aggravating when she sets off on one.
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 23:53
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Originally Posted by Widger View Post
I don't know if it is because of the fact that I live in the SE but I am really surprised that the Liberal Democrats are not polling more highly. Almost everyone I speak to who is a traditional Conservative voter has said they will be voting LD. Now I know this is a small sample of Widger's associates but I will be very interested to see if there is indeed a swing to LD in this election that the Left and Right leaning press are choosing to ignore.
really. I've not met one.. what bit of the SE are you in. the lab dems HQ
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:27
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Originally Posted by Widger View Post
I don't know if it is because of the fact that I live in the SE but I am really surprised that the Liberal Democrats are not polling more highly. Almost everyone I speak to who is a traditional Conservative voter has said they will be voting LD. Now I know this is a small sample of Widger's associates but I will be very interested to see if there is indeed a swing to LD in this election that the Left and Right leaning press are choosing to ignore.
Not what you hear up here in the North West, LibDims are derided, firstly because of their record when in coalition and secondly for Mad Jo's anti democratic stance on Brexit. I'm one whose hoping the pollsters have got this one right, but I do admit to being surprised they arent polling stronger. The remain millions that marched down the Mall must be voting for somebody?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 05:30
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Speaking of the Lib Dems, I was surprised recently when some commentators all agreed that the more often Jo Swinson appears in the media etc, her "popularity" decreases. She can be a bit of a pain to listen to but she seems quite tolerable. Layla Moran on the other hand... "Does the volume go up to 11"? Quite aggravating when she sets off on one.
I read that as well. I suspect she's one of those "strong women" that you start off admiring and rapidly realise she's actually your worst nightmare
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 17:17
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A senior British diplomat in the US has quit with a blast at the UK government over Brexit, saying she could no longer "peddle half-truths" on behalf of political leaders she did not "trust."
In a searing resignation letter delivered just over a week before the UK general election, Alexandra Hall Hall, the lead envoy for Brexit in the British Embassy in Washington, said that she had become increasingly dismayed by the demands placed on the British civil service to deliver messages on Brexit which were not "fully honest."The reluctance of Britain's leaders to play straight with the public on Brexit, Hall Hall said, had undermined the credibility of UK diplomats abroad. Her position had become "unbearable personally" and "untenable professionally," she wrote in the letter, which has been obtained by CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/u...ntl/index.html
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 18:25
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"Hall Hall?" Sounds like a bit of a rural ancestry.

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 23:48
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If you're going to dismiss someone's opinion because of their name, we can get rid of that Pfeffel character right away.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 03:23
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Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 08:32
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Originally Posted by iceman50 View Post
Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
Really ? you may be interested to learn that there are still people who hold something known as......principles.

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
If you're going to dismiss someone's opinion because of their name, we can get rid of that Pfeffel character right away.
Which one, Boris or Alexander? So many charlatans to chose from.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:21
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Grayfly: All of the above! I saw a clip on TV yesterday with the elder responding to a jibe about the junior, likening him to Pinocchio. Basically, he said the population of UK is ignorant and wouldn't be able to spell Pinocchio anyway.
I suppose it is good to know the population is ignorant as we can all say "I didn't know any better" in case his son wins the G.E.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Grayfly: All of the above! I saw a clip on TV yesterday with the elder responding to a jibe about the junior, likening him to Pinocchio. Basically, he said the population of UK is ignorant and wouldn't be able to spell Pinocchio anyway.
I suppose it is good to know the population is ignorant as we can all say "I didn't know any better" in case his son wins the G.E.
It is high time that self identifying as 'stupid' as in the above was a criminal offense, the criminal justice system however, probably wouldn't be able to cope.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by iceman50 View Post
Nothing to do with the name. If you are a Diplomat then you have to give out the Government of the days message, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you go quietly as a "Diplomat" should, not spread it across the airwaves just before an election and she says she is not being political.
No, you resign, freeing yourself from the (proper, whilst employed) need to stay quiet; and allowing your political judgement to be aired. She didn't leave 'cos the political hue didn't suit her, she was fed up of fronting dishonesty.

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 18:44
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
No, you resign, freeing yourself from the (proper, whilst employed) need to stay quiet; and allowing your political judgement to be aired. She didn't leave 'cos the political hue didn't suit her, she was fed up of fronting dishonesty.

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Couldn't she just have moved post? Perhaps somewhere less testing than the US?

I'm fairly certain that professional diplomats the world over are amongst humanity's best liars; it is almost the lead description in the job spec isn't it?
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Couldn't she just have moved post? Perhaps somewhere less testing than the US?

I'm fairly certain that professional diplomats the world over are amongst humanity's best liars; it is almost the lead description in the job spec isn't it?
Her posting wasnít what was bothering her. It was the dishonesty of her paymasters. So whether she was posted to the USA, Chile or Outer Mongolia, she would still have had to deal with the same dishonesty coming from on high.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 20:56
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 08:43
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Legatus est vir bonus peregre missus ad mentiendum rei publicae causa
Iím pretty certain (Actually I know for a fact) that that was referring to other countryís citizens. Not your own.
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