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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:24
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YT, read methodology. e..g.

”In some countries, the public holidays are strictly bound to the calendar dates, so if they happen on Saturday or Sunday, they are "lost" for the particular year. As a result, the average number of paid extra free days can be lower than the table specifies.”.....
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:26
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
YT, read methodology. e..g.

”In some countries, the public holidays are strictly bound to the calendar dates, so if they happen on Saturday or Sunday, they are "lost" for the particular year. As a result, the average number of paid extra free days can be lower than the table specifies.”.....
But they are not lost in the UK? If a Bank holiday falls on a weekend it is transferred to another day - surely?

Looking at this site:

https://timetastic.co.uk/holiday-calculator/

It would seem Public holidays may or may not be included as part of the a UK employees entitlement. In which the Wiki table cannot reflect any sort of reality in the UK's case. Brave attempt though I'll admit.

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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post

The number of voters who actually got off their backsides and deposited valid ballot papers in the EU referendum was 33,551,983, the highest turnout in any election since 1992.

Out of those, 17,410,742 voted to leave, and 16,141,241 voted to remain.

In simple terms, out of all those who cast valid votes, 1,265,901 more people voted to leave than remain.
Repetition is the mother of pedagogy, so here we go again ;-)
There have been 17,410,742 votes, not people that voted leave.
That is because there is no ID checks so nobody knows who actually voted, nor how many times some voted, and nobody in the UK is able to evaluate the extent of the fraud.
Mail votes and people abroad unable to get registered to vote add to the suspicion of unfair and undemocratic vote. You even allow the dead to vote...
The path towards modern democracy will be long for the UK...

You can safely say it was a tie between leave and remain, with a small apparent bias towards leave, but as you are unable to size the uncertainty on the result, this small (<2%) bias has no great significance.

Speaking of "will of the people" with such a small margin is ridiculous.
The reluctance of the Brexiteers to allow another referendum is a clear indication that they feel the result was unsignificant, and might very well give an opposite result.
Especially now that the public is no longer ignorant of what the Brexit implies.

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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:44
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Originally Posted by bulldog89 View Post
So in the end it seems you'll be leaving with this deal (which I personally think has no sense at all, but never mind) but you'll ask for another extension...wasn't BJ saying something like "on the 31st, deal or no deal whatever happens"?

"We're leaving on the 31st, period !"
"We'll leave on the 31st, otherwise BJ will have lost all credibility"
Etc.
Politicians - especially BJ - are what they are, but it's the gullible that believe them that are at fault.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 21:58
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I have no time for those who either couldn't be arsed to vote, or those that chose to cast an invalid vote. They made their choice, and now should accept the outcome.
Whether you have time ... etc. is a matter for you, alone!. Perfectly entitled to hold that view, of course, but no expressed viewpoint of yours (or anyone else, for that matter) will alter the mathematics which indicate that more than 60 million people atre being taken into a situation at the behest of LESS THAN 30% of that number. You can theorise all sorts of scenarios as to why the numbers are as they are, but the numbers and the resultant mathematics are inarguable ... ALL of them, not just those which suit your particular purpose. Partiality may well be comforting but it will never be comfortable!
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:00
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
Unfortunately, which ever way it goes, Scotland is likely to return to having more Giant Pandas than Tory MPs ......
And every so often you read something new and amusing
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
I would add something else as well and that is get rid of the majority of Westminster as it is evident they are no longer needed and not fit for any purpose, let alone running the country.
I took the time to listen to some MPs in Parliament tonight, and I would be less severe.
Much good and intelligent statements from either side.
I'd say that BJ has been stupid to wait till the last 10 days to sign a deal he could have signed months ago, and hoping that 3 days would be sufficient to examine such at complex and important text is just asinine.

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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:12
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:24
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Public Holidays, if it falls on a weekend in Germany it's too bad, you don't get another day substituted, also, each of the federal states has it's own list of holidays in addition to those which are nationwide so you can't say definitively how many days off you get.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:24
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I'm confused by the figures quoted for the UK in your link. The horizontal line of figures for the UK simply don't numerically add up. Neither do the figures for the UAE above the UK. Am I mis-reading something here? (28+8=36 in my days).
Yep, good spot, that confused me as well so I already did further cross checking...

Holiday entitlement - GOV.UK

An employer can include bank holidays as part of statutory annual leave.

Bank holidays

Bank or public holidays do not have to be given as paid leave.

An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave.
so the point remains; Uk 20+8=28 compared to EU 20+??=National arrangements.

edited to add; my misses just confirmed her NHS entitlement is 20+8

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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 22:48
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OK fake news warning...

That wiki page I quoted earlier has already changed.... EU now shows as 28+0=20 !!!!!

I am pretty damed sure thats not what it said earlier!!!!

try this one;
How much of your paid holiday is down to the EU? - Full Fact
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 00:45
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Repetition is the mother of pedagogy, so here we go again ;-)
There have been 17,410,742 votes, not people that voted leave.
That is because there is no ID checks so nobody knows who actually voted, nor how many times some voted, and nobody in the UK is able to evaluate the extent of the fraud.
Mail votes and people abroad unable to get registered to vote add to the suspicion of unfair and undemocratic vote. You even allow the dead to vote...
The path towards modern democracy will be long for the UK...

You can safely say it was a tie between leave and remain, with a small apparent bias towards leave, but as you are unable to size the uncertainty on the result, this small (<2%) bias has no great significance.

Speaking of "will of the people" with such a small margin is ridiculous.
The reluctance of the Brexiteers to allow another referendum is a clear indication that they feel the result was unsignificant, and might very well give an opposite result.
Especially now that the public is no longer ignorant of what the Brexit implies.
As we have already told you votes are registered, you are identified by you're voting card posted to you that is numbered to an individual, this gives you a voting slip at the polling station that is also numbered so it's one vote per person. You cannot vote multiple times as once voted you are crossed off the list, so multiple copies of your card would not work and you only have one polling station to vote at.

we knew exactly what we were voting for and all my colleagues and friends I have asked confirm that.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post


As we have already told you votes are registered, you are identified by you're voting card posted to you that is numbered to an individual, this gives you a voting slip at the polling station that is also numbered so it's one vote per person. You cannot vote multiple times as once voted you are crossed off the list, so multiple copies of your card would not work and you only have one polling station to vote at.

we knew exactly what we were voting for and all my colleagues and friends I have asked confirm that.
So did you vote for this deal?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 02:16
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post


we knew exactly what we were voting for and all my colleagues and friends I have asked confirm that.

What astonishing arrogance.

So you knew you were voting for a border down the Irish sea!!
So you knew you were voting for a break up of the UK and consequently a border between Scotland and England!!
So you knew you were promised a great trade deal with the USA whilst at the same time they are destroying every other trade deal they currently have in the world!!
So you knew the promised trade deal deals lined up with the Faeroe Islands and possibly Brazil will more than compensate for our deals with the EU!!
So you knew that the protection of workers rights and holiday entitlement would be superior to those we currently offer!!!

Perhaps you need to go and ask the colleagues and friends you didn't ask before.

Just as an aside; the Blond Bungling Baffoon can sometimes entertain at the despatch box, it's just a great shame we couldn't get Billy Connolly to rip him a new arse*ole from the opposition benches.
Now that I would pay good money for.

Q: How do you know Boris Johnsons talking out of his arse?
A: When he sits down the sound gets muffled.

edited to add: I'm still trying very hard to be a Brexiteer but I'm still stuck in the last chapter of my 'Brexiteeing 101' book. Trust & the future.

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 05:19
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Given that nice Mr Gove is involved, at least until he can find somebody else to blame, and Javid has decided to impress potential voters, whilst happily ignoring the gradual increase in Gov't borrowing.....no point in confusing the public when a GE may be in the offing, this comes as no real surprise .....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-preparations

Try not to salivate and dribble too much when masticating your brekkie,,.....chaps ( it's very unsightly ) but, this article will appeal to all those who revere those halcyon days and for whom a reprise can't come soon enough....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-deal-thatcher

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 06:07
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Politico:

La résistance: There is a real risk Tusk will face push-back, particularly from French President Emmanuel Macron, who has signaled loudly in recent days that he wanted the U.K. to respect the October 31 deadline, David and Emilio write.

“It is up to the British parliament to examine the Withdrawal Agreement as soon as possible. We will see at the end of the week if a purely technical extension of a few days is necessary, to finish this parliamentary procedure,” an Elysée official said Tuesday night after Tusk’s announcement.

“But outside these circumstances, an extension to buy time or to discuss the agreement again is excluded. We have reached a deal, and now it must be implemented without delay.”........
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 06:15
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Losing a vote on a Queens Speech is, historically, a vote of no confidence and, if phrased as such, could provide the means for Labour to trigger a general election.

Politico: QUEEN’S SPEECH: The defeat of the government’s Withdrawal Agreement Bill timetable and its current refusals to bring forward a new one means the queen’s speech is back on the agenda today, with the focus on the NHS. On Thursday we have the final day of the queen’s speech debate as well as the key votes.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
OK fake news warning...

That wiki page I quoted earlier has already changed.... EU now shows as 28+0=20 !!!!!

I am pretty damed sure thats not what it said earlier!!!!

try this one;
How much of your paid holiday is down to the EU? - Full Fact
Interesting but of course the current legal entitlement in the UK ( ATM underpinned by the EU rules) is not be what many people are expressing concerns about....



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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:23
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
we knew exactly what we were voting for and all my colleagues and friends I have asked confirm that.


Then you were better informed than the politicians who launched the referendum, the governments that implemented the Brexit, and most of the people in office in the EU.
And so you are to blame for having let them discover the consequences by themselves instead of dispensing your knowledge ;-)
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:37
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Oh if only you lot had compulsory voting at elections and for referenda. We do get some things right downunder ����
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